We have rockets that can leave our atmosphere and cars that can run using electricity. Why don't we have a better way to feed humans? Do you realize how much human capital is spent every day on this useless foodstuff, day in and day out, the exact same process for billions of humans?
I mean, honestly, at this point, just mail me a tube that contains my daily food nutrients, I don't care if it tastes like shit, as long as my body can function and I don't have to deal with this inefficient bulshit anymore.
Is that something that exists? a company that does that? If not, is there a better way? can someone find one, as I'm probably not smart enough to find one.
Many, many companies do this. I can name three companies selling meal replacement shakes that you could probably subsist on for months without noticeable nutrition problems. I'm regularly bombarded with ads for companies that will send me prepared meals I only need to microwave and eat.
I would be very surprised if someone wasn't able to find a reasonable solution to this problem with a few minutes of googling.
You've reduced your cost and time to a bare minimum (shopping and cooking are a couple hours a week). Note that you can skip the rice and put a starch (e.g. potatoes) in the stew, but rice is highly flexible. You can research the things you need, cut them up and add them to the stew - like beans and broccoli. Since you don't care about taste, don't even bother with meat. Oh, BTW, you're vegan now.
The startup failed but one good thing that came out of it was that I realized that I actually enjoy the process of cooking. It's like science, but with a tasty (sometimes) meal at the end. I cook much more now.
It's also worth realizing that there are some things that you just have to do. Eating, washing, etc are basic minimums of being an adult. You can't reduce your life to only doing the fun parts; it's important to accept that some of your time will always be spent on boring, inefficient stuff.
To be healthy for your body, food has to be much varied, fresh or freshly prepared, nearly industrially unprocessed.
And for your mind to be healthy, it has to be tasty, varied, prepared with affection for/by someone you love, and eaten in an enjoyable place.
But you want to trade health, taste, beauty, meaning and variety of one of the biggest pleasures in life... for efficiency?
Get a good grocery delivery network, arrange a meal schedule of what you like, prepare the groceries list with AI, buy commodities like a freezer, an oven, a kneader, a dicer and a rice cooker, and that's healthy efficiency. Thats why the Vorwerk Bimby sells so well. Prepare things in advance and eat with many people, so that you can prepare big meals in a more efficient way.
Or drink soylent each day and throw your mind and body into a life in the sewer.
Not every inefficient process is a sin, or bad. But maybe smartness can compensate bullshit like food, sex and relationships - and finally make us efficient and ethically pure like corpses are.
Seriously, just learn to make a couple dishes and make them all the time. You will get very good at making them quickly and with little mess. Over time you'll get good at substituting or modifying them if you want to try something different. Grocery shopping is vastly simplified as you can just go once a week and quickly get everything you need for days and days of meals. Don't be ashamed or afraid of using canned, frozen, etc. stuff that keeps for longer in your kitchen. These are weeknight meals, they don't have to be fancy!
On the weekends or when you have time and feel the motivation, then splurge and cook something extravagant, go out to eat, etc.
Oh and be very critical of recipes you find online. You don't have to do the Modernist Cuisine or J. Kenji Alt-Lopez "best XYZ ever" version of a recipe that takes 50 ingredients and 6 hours of prep. Find the cheap and easy recipes--the Rachel Ray 30 minute meals type stuff. Save the fancy recipes for weekends or when motivation grabs you.
There's not much to clean up as it's just a potato, I have a plate in the microwave that I use to heat it then put it on a second plate to eat. I just eat it with my hands.
I've lost over 3kg (probably more like 6-7 I just didn't weigh my self before). I wasn't super fat or anything before hand. Perhaps it's too hard to get enough calories from only potatoes?
I haven't noticed any loss of muscle even though I've eaten almost no protein. It's made me very sceptical about nutrition as whole as I thought I would become sick or at least lose muscle mass (I was going to stop after a week if I lost muscle or became sick).
I will eat many more potatoes than I used to, even after January ends.
The problems to solve in food today are systemic (eg: the carbon impacts of food production at scale, which are enormous) and at the microeconomic scale (shopping for one person is near impossible).
Better in the sense of not requiring the time of shopping weekly and home cooking meals or the expense of ordering prepared food for delivery, or the various options that are pretty much directly in-between (meal box subscriptions to cook that have lower shopping/prep/cooking time than classic grocery shopping and home cooking, etc.)?
Well, I mean, you can do shakes either those made as full meal replacements or less complete protein shakes with some other ingredients (low shopping/prep, no cooking, much lower cost than eating out.)
Or do what is probably approximately one of the most common historical patterns, adopt a consistent pattern of a long-shelf-life basic staple (probably some form of grain and/or dry legumes) and some consistent accompaniments to get full nutrition, and prepare what you can in as large of quantities as you can eat before it goes bad. You’ll cut down all of expense, frequency of shopping, and total prep/cooking time compared to what you describe. The options you describe are basically ways to exploit the abundance and variety of food options available to modern, wealthy populations, not optimized human feeding within the current economy.
Soylent was intended to be that. And there were some people when it first came out who made a go at seriously replacing all of their meals with it - not sure if a significant number of people still do. In the end it's probably not any less expensive than home cooking, and certainly a whole lot more dull. If you really want to just replace your meals with a nutritious sludge, though… https://soylent.com
Personally, I know I'm not the greatest of cooks, and I generally find more complicated recipes more trouble than they're worth, especially when I have to go hunt down a bunch of ingredients I don't normally keep stocked. But at least cooking one of the meager list of meal combinations that I can make decently, I find the time spent in reflection doing the prep, cooking, and, yes, even the clean-up somewhat relaxing.
2 or 3 eggs. Toast. 1 pan. 5 or 10 mins max.
Bowl oatmeal, dried cranberries, walnuts. 3 mins microwave.
1 steak, bag of spinach, box of mushrooms. 1 pan, 10 mins max (sauté the spinach/shrooms while steak is resting).
1 rotisserie chicken pre-cooked in bag, 1 bag frozen fried rice, 1 bag frozen veggie mix, 1 pan, 10 mins to warm the rice then the veggies.
Salt. Pepper. In fridge, Hot sauce. BBQ sauce.
I order a chipotle burrito bowl every day for lunch.
Order the ingredients for pickup to save $, or just go when you’re bored or need a break from the computer.
I’m finding that this is a good balance between the blandness of 4 day old meal prep, constant daily cooking for more elaborate meals, huge spending for hellofresh or Uber eats, etc.
1 - Easy heatables. Whether it's TV dinners or chicken nuggets, it's low effort.
2 - Quesadillas. It's cheap and no harder than putting a can of chicken and hot sauce in a tortilla, throwing it in the oven. Or no chicken. Or add cheese. Whatever.
3 - Crock pots. Would often keep a deer stew going that I'd eat for days at a time. It's a little investment up front in time, but pays dividends.
4 - Staples. Beans, rice, and potatoes all go a long way and are pretty foolproof.
Number 3 is closest to what humans did for a long time, really. The problem is that we lost the sense of community so it's every man for himself.
- Quality multivitamin / supplements
- Pectin and/or psyllium husks (fiber)
- Spoonful of extra virgin olive oil
- Electrolyte drink (salt, potassium chloride, magnesium citrate powder, and vitamin C powder; add water until it's tolerable to drink)
That gives you most of what you need with no prep other than adding water. It wouldn't taste good, and I wouldn't advocate doing it for a very long time without eating real food. But I've eaten along these lines as part of some experiments I did on myself, and I had no gastric distress other than that I needed the fiber to not get backed up.
In the modern world, it is acheived by restaurants. With the rise of food delivery apps, some of them will be replaced by kitchens without a restaurant front.
The only problem may be the cost (depending on how much you make of course)... but you gotta pay for labor, safety requirements and other expenses.
Unfortunately, something that comes in a tube will not cut it. Products like Soyelnt are made with the peemise that science has figured out all the ways nutrients work... which is far from the truth. This video explains it very well: https://youtu.be/xRAw7yeDO-c
1) Order groceries online and have them delivered. 2) Meal prep on a Sunday, freeze your own ready made meals for the week ahead. 3) Plan out your snacks for the week.
If you do the above and eat the same things each week then it'll become easier to do over time.
Another benefit to this is you can choose food which is nutritional and healthy ahead of time. It should also be quite cost effective.
You could also just order ready made meals, but then you might worry about what's in them, or for me personally I hate producing so much waste packaging.
If you go the vacuum seal route with half a dozen, or more, of your favorite main dishes then you can pretty much get away with cooking no more than 1-2 days a week to either make things that don't freeze well (depending on your tastes, you'll have to experiment to see what does and doesn't work) or restocking things as you run out of frozen portions. If you do this with enough different dishes[2], you can have an insane variety to your meals with minimal effort. The more complicated the dish, the bigger the payback for this approach.
An added bonus: if you do this you're also prepared for pandemics/shortages... pretty much everything other than extended power outages.
[1] This is critical for long term storage to avoid freezer burn.
[2] Pretty much anything you've ever seen in a grocery store's freezer isle and a lot of things you haven't.
- Cost: a good cook is as expensive as good programmer. A kitchen is as complex as an IT production environment and it requires comparable level of skills to produce quality. You have to manage resources, incidents, bottlenecks, high availability and so on.
- Time: there's no rushing quality. Shopping for good ingredients at the early morning market takes at least 1 hour. You have to inspect what is on offer with care each day and it should be done by the "team lead" cook. And obviously that is just the start of the process.
- Mass production equals loss of quality. You don't have tons of fresh naturally grown ingredients available. You don't have hundreds of qualified personnel available for hire locally, you can't have accountants drive quality food.
- Nutrients: this might come as a shock for a lot of people but we really don't understand nutrition all that well. We basically know not to eat too much of anything in particular but that's it. We're at least 100 years from being able to reduce food to something like Soylent that would be just as good as eating varied unprocessed food.
I could go on and on and on... At the end of the day you really have the choices you mentioned: invest time or money for eating and if you want good food you have to invest a lot of time and/or money.
A lot of recipes are simple, cheap, and quick. An egg/cheese/meat on a muffin takes 5 minutes to make tops and really only produces three dirty dishes. Salad mix + dressing + heated up frozen meat like frozen chicken tenders that go in the oven. Overnight oatmeal. Greek Yogurt. Baked potato in the microwave. There's a seriously long list of recipes that are dead simple.
Most grocery stores sell ingredients that are at least partially processed but better than frozen meals. Your seafood/meat section has pre-seasoned meats, and the produce section has pre-sliced/chopped fruits and veggies.
Also, have the right tools for the things you like to make. Like salads? Get a vegetable dicer/chopper. Do you mix a lot of things? Get a stand mixer. Are your knives sharp? You should be honing your knives and sharpening around once a year give or take. Make lots of pasta? Boil your water in an electric kettle (faster) before transferring to the pot on the stove.
Other advice I have is to use curbside grocery pickup. Order your groceries online and pick them up. It's free and saves a whole lot of time.
If you want to save even more time, have groceries delivered.
Also, make your meals with enough portions for leftovers. Many foods can also be frozen if they'd otherwise spoil. You can even look into things like vacuum bags to improve the way leftover food saves.
> a company that does that?
Have you not heard of Hello Fresh/Blue Apron/all their competitors?
Also, batch-cooking. Cook one evening a week, but 3-4x what you do normally and freeze the rest.
Initially your freezer will just have 1 thing in it but after a few weeks you will actually have a nice variety of things, ready to defrost.
Cooking 3-4x of one thing takes maybe 50% more time, if that, than cooking 1 portion.
2 hours + 30 * 7 is already 5.5 hours. 30 minutes across 1-2 trips to the market. Throw on various other foods like peanut butter bananas, bread with olive and hummus, popcorn.
I used to say the same as you. I got a big order of Huel and that’s darn good (no flavoring), yet not much faster unless it’s literally all I eat. It’s no cheaper than the taco bowl either which is full of produce, so I prefer to pay for more fresh food. I feel better when I eat fresh food too.
Pardon not answering the question. Huel is the best but it really doesn’t get better than meal prep with fresh food. Not even a partner would be faster TBH because you can’t treat them like a robot—-no free lunch.
Someone else mentions intermittent fasting, that helps a lot and I’ve been on it since like 2017, warrior mode.
- Cook yourself
- Get a cook
Also you do not work 10-12 hours a day either or at least your mind is not able to do so. Why not using this time for cooking something healthy?
On Safeway/kings soopers website you can reorder your entire grocery list with a couple clicks and have it delivered for $10. On Sunday afternoon spend a couple hours watching a movie and meal prepping. You’ve now got your food for the week and it took a couple hours.
To tackle the “eating” part - there are tons of meals that are extremely extremely basic but still taste good. For example, the Japanese breakfast “tamago kake gohan”. Microwave some left over rice, crack in a raw egg, dash of soy sauce, stir for 1 minute, put on some rice seasoning. This meals takes 3 minutes to make and is tastes incredible. Also look at the Spanish sopa de fideo for a similarly easy lunch/dinner.
If you can stand the humidity - move to Singapore! No rockets required, just jet airplanes.
I used to live in a large city and basically off of fast food. I then moved to a rural area and then got a diagnosis that means I can't eat wheat. Those two things have made it basically necessary that I cook for myself twice a day, which is an insane amount of time and effort that I consider wasted, as food ranks quite low on my personal ranking of priorities.
"I don't care how it tastes" was my initial starting point, too, but many options are just too bad to bear. Vanilla-flavoured superfood shakes, when mixed with a hand shaker and when I don't use ice-cold water, for example, actually bring me to the edge of vomiting. Food just shouldn't be that bad.
In my exploration of that direction, the local optimum I got to was vanilla Huel mixed in a blender with frozen red berries. This would be impractical for some people, as you have to wash the blender parts and drink it right after blending, or keep it refrigerated, which you can't do when you're on the go. Working remotely from home, however, this worked nicely for me.
But: Depriving myself of real food just remained a constant drain on my willpower, and I ultimately had more important things to do with my limited willpower resource. The reduced effort around food preparation was just not worth it.
Then I started learning to cook while intensely focusing on reducing recipes to their bare essentials. I also optimized efficiency by always using my kitchen utensils to full capacity and refrigerating/reheating components of future meals or even entire meals, where possible. It was still a boatload of work—way more than I ever felt happy putting into this.
The next thing that happened was that I got into a long-distance relationship with someone with different dietary restrictions. This complicates the refrigeration/reheating part of the equation, as it distributes food consumption between two households, and taking food with you means breaking the cooling chain.
At this point, it's just, "Ahh, screw it; this is just an inescapable fact of life".
I think all that just pushes people away from their connection with food, the best way for people to eating healthier (and tastier!) stuff is by increasing their love for food. If you just give it ready to them, you take their opportunity to learn.
That’s why diets don’t work a lot of times, people just follow blindly a list of stuff to eat, which they eventually give up, instead of understanding the underlying idea and introducing it to their routine.
Learn how to cook, taste it slowly, enjoy it. Eat real food, not too much, mostly plants
My advice would be to try to find additional benefits in cooking, like the social aspect, or its meditative nature, or self expression in it, or whatever other than preparing stuff to eat. Oh, and pay for cooking classes, they are worth more than it seems.
But I love the ritual of waking up, cooking up bacon, eggs, and a lot of fresh veggies. It's a highlight of my day. And don't forget some fresh brewed coffee.
In my local grocery store there are aisles worth of compatible containers filled with nutrient rich bits of protein and all sorts of plants. No idea what they're for but when I stick them in my μWave I can convert them into edible food in just a few minutes.
You can invest in my startup.
We must be of different species. If it doesn't rhyme with "stone nut" and isn't made fresh at the bakery every Friday morning then all my other normal food feels like shit tube food, maybe that's getting close but still.
Have you thought about building a system of your own for this? Components could be humans, paid or unpaid friends who love you, robots, tubes carrying different materials, army food, whatever needs to work could be designed...
[1] https://foodperestroika.com/2018/11/18/russian-space-food/
I would ask the OP if any ARFID-like feelings/emotions are driving his quest.
- If they are, consider talking to someone about this, or joining an online support group. ARFID is pernicious, hidden, often derided, and affects a _lot_ of tech-type people; it seems to ride along with a lot of the traits that can make us a little different. It's time to take the shame out of admitting that it's more than just fussy eating; it's deeper, darker and scarier.
- And if not, I'd really recommend looking at fresh soups, part-baked bread, five minute meal recipes, three-ingredient recipes, and listening to podcasts or music in the kitchen. There are ways to make food less of a chore.
Also, it's an old-fashioned idea, but if you're really uninterested in cooking, look at your options for canned foods. You can buy them and keep them for months or years, and if you can find a thing you really like out of a can you need never be short of at least one ridiculously simple thing to eat. Canning is truly one of humanity's greatest achievements, and it's puzzling to see so many attempts to solve a problem that is in many ways already solved.
(My tip: canned curries are better than they sound.)
Fighting through my distaste for food at every level has made me a happier person, and as much as I can see the benefit of trying to "solve" this problem in one go like this, I'd urge the OP not to do so.
For a family of 4 this pretty much lasted the month (stuff was frozen etc and maybe a quick 20 min trip once a week for fresh stuff)
The answer is frozen/microwavable food.
It's unsexy business, but it can grow to a unicorn - create quality/healthy frozen food, and people will buy it.
You would get your nutrients and a full sense of satiation from IV infusions and sleep pods.
Your question, to me, exposes an utterly repulsive attitude to life.
Why wanting so much efficiency? Redirect that productive developer energy, find food you really love or find challenging on learning how to cook it, and enjoy the slow cooking and eating of it, it’s one of the great pleasures of life
the chili, spicy curry, and tomato recipes are pretty good they also added mac and cheese now(with high protein and vitamins)
the powdered stuff taste like garbage tho