HACKER Q&A
📣 noduerme

The devil's hiring. Would you work for him?


At what point or for what amount of money would you throw away all your ethics, all your independence, to take a paycheck for putting your hands on the wheel of putting something viciously evil into the world?

I came across this tonight:

https://www.bermanco.com/careers/

Like a lot of my generation I'm a Silver Jews fan and I've read a lot into David Berman's music and his thoughts about his father. I'm glad to see that the father can't find a web developer to do his "controversial" dirty work. I'd assume the money is right. You just have to "believe in free markets and limited government" and "have a sense of humor".

I have a sense of humor, and believe in free markets, which is why I'm posting this. I find it funny that this schmuck can't find a fucking web designer in America willing to touch his toxic shit.

So what would it take for you?


  👤 gherkinnn Accepted Answer ✓
It would take a lot. I could earn multiples of my current salary working for a Faang. But I find most of questionable, so here I am.

But at the very least, Google Photos is a good product. AWS is solid. I like my iPhone and React is pleasant to work with. Despite heaps of nastiness there's _some_ good aspects.

While companies like Berman and Company have brought nothing but shit upon us.

It is PR firms like them that helped tobacco companies hide the link between smoking and lung cancer. It is ticks like them who continue to sabotage meaningful measures against obesity. It is leeches like them who try to sabotage attempts at solving climate change.

Literally hundreds of thousands of people have perished because of their actions.

These vultures are disgusting, their methods are disgusting, everything they do is disgusting, and I find it exceedingly hard not to think of everybody working for them as the same.

So no. I would never work for Berman.


👤 h2odragon
There's a difference between evil, and beliefs you disagree with.

Someone else mentioned "false front nonprofits"... If the companies are willing to cheat the government and society that way, they're likely gonna fuck over their employees too.

Issue advocates often have this thing where they feel that since they see their issue as more important than money and success, everyone else should too; and thus professional service providers oughtta be honored to have had the chance to contribute to the cause. Whatever the cause is. If you accept these terms even once, you're a supporter and thus any sign that you're not as nuts as they are later is a betrayal.

Even decent people become twisted caricatures after a few years of that kind of world.


👤 mypastself
Is there context to this? Brief online search doesn’t turn up much about who any of those people are or why we should hate them.

👤 petecooper
If my domestic / relationship situation was different, I'd work for / with Dominic Cummings[1].

He's not the devil, and I don't know David Berman so will not compare, so I'm sidestepping your OP question.

I'm also not a fan of the in-power Conservative party (his previous employer) we have in the UK right now, but there's something about him and his tactics that give me a gut feeling it'd be the wildest of wild rides, and there's something perversely appealing about that to me.

This probably says more about me and my chosen career path to date than anything else.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominic_Cummings


👤 noduerme
Short story. In 1998 I was a junior web designer at the company that had the contract w/ Sansome Street Associates (AKA, Banana Republic, GAP, Old Navy, and the Mendocino Redwood Company). Guess you didn't hear about it, but the MRC was bigtime into chopping down old-growth redwoods while they were pushing trendy sweaters through their Old Navy brand. So it fell on me to build the MRC website. They wanted it to look eco-friendly and wholesome. After the initial review, we met with them and they basically said it looked too slick and professional. They said they wanted 'something that looks more granola and hippie, like it was made by an amateur, so all the enviro fucks emails can go there to die.' I paraphrase, but, we had to reduce all the images to 256-color dithered GIFs and make the email form malfunction on purpose. They paid the company I worked for somewhere north of $100k for this website. (I was making $8.50 an hour). My immediate superior quit as a result of it, and I followed her shortly thereafter.

It was a good lesson when I was 17.

Also, long before he had announced that his father was this asshole, that was the year I could play every single word of the Silver Jews' "Natural Bridge" - and fell off the stage at the Blue Lamp on Jones and Geary with a harmonica, in the middle of playing one of those songs.


👤 c7DJTLrn
Plenty of people already work for Facebook.

👤 SecurityMinded
Give me job security and 50% more than what I am making, which is not much with my current salary in very low 6-digits, I'll start working for the devil tomorrow.

Life is not so rosy to follow your ideals and inclusivity and all that crap when you're past 50 and still in a non-managerial role in tech industry. So, everyone who is poo-poo'ing ggogle's and facebook's whatevrer other companies being the evil, get off your high horses. Before you know it, you will be unemployable. Think about it.


👤 mantas
If F-U money could me made in 6 months? Procrastinate enough to make sure project is not usable by the end of the term and then quit.

👤 pmdulaney
Even if only spoken of metaphorically, it's good to have people reminded of the existence of the devil. Some corner of their mind, if only momentarily, will ask, "I wonder if he really exists?"

👤 irvingprime
I looked at the job description. What is toxic about it? And what does your taste in music have to do with it?

It's not in my line but if it was, I would at least talk to them. Why not?


👤 axiosgunnar
Slightly conservative opinions are now "the devil"?