HACKER Q&A
📣 varjag

What kind of electronics would you stockpile for doomsday?


We are all dependent on electronics in modern life, from stuff found in our appliances and cars to entertainment. Given the ever increasing potential for disintegration of global supply chain, what would be your choices for hypothetical technological prepping? Microcontroller boards? Power electronics? RF?


  👤 ohiovr Accepted Answer ✓
I've been doing this for a while. You should find a cheap whole stack, computer, os, source code, solar cell, battery, and seal them in a galvanized trashcan with metallic HVAC tape around the lid. This will protect it from high frequency EMP bursts in the upper atmosphere from multimegaton infastructure disruption weapons. Other things you may want to add is a soeks dosimeter..

Laptop computers with a core 2 duo are quite cheap and often come with enough memory to be considerble computers. Take all your home movies and run them through ffmpeg to make them run smooth on old hardware. Find a bunch of videos about making food, soap, how to make a gassifier, grain mill.. think creatively. It is almost time. You know it. That is why you are posting this.


👤 gregjor
Other than a flashlight and a Casio watch that runs for a decade electronics would be off my list if I were to worry about doomsday scenarios, which I don’t. That’s just another fantasy land to obsess over. I can survive without a computer or cell phone or the internet. I would be much more concerned about water, food, medicine/first aid. We aren’t really dependent on modern technology. I can imagine continuing to live just fine without any of it.

👤 adamcrow64
Just a comment. You have to expect that at some point you may become invalid or disabled to some degree. Although you may not need stuff now, make sure you keep a set of reading glasses or short sight glasses. A walking cane. Look after your teeth! Flossing equipment. Lots of toothbrushes. Tonnes of suncream.

👤 wly_cdgr
Just a side note that, electronics are good and all, but stockpile printed matter also. You can fit a lot of vital knowledge that you can access without electricity in a very reasonable amount of space with the aid of small print, a simple magnifying glass, and some plastic bags, painted glass jars, and/or lamination for protection from water and light

👤 nicbou
Whatever I do, I'd definitely include a device with OsmAnd, and keep the maps updated. I could hardly survive the apocalypse without good maps. A backup of Wikipedia would also be very useful.

I'd add a few thousand books since they use little storage space.

I'd probably use regular phones like a Pixel 5, a few user-repairable laptops, and lots of USB-C cables and chargers. I'd make sure to have the means to keep them charged off-grid.

That ought to be enough. It's barely more than what I pack on long distance motorcycle trips.


👤 paulcole
None.

Anything approaching a "true" doomsday would be absolute hell on Earth and I'd be ready to die. I live with a chronic illness and honestly doubt my medications would be available.

If society did crumble in the way that many fantasize about, I'd be seeing myself out pretty quickly.


👤 jbjbjbjb
Perhaps going a couple orders of magnitude up in supply disruption to what we’ve seen in the pandemic would be a realistic worst case. So looking at multi year disruption of key components and hugely inflated prices for new and second hand.

To mitigate that I’d have some cheap easy to store replacements at hand as insurance. Things like raspberry pis, spare phone, camping style equipment, bike, car parts etc.

We also had a gas price squeeze in Europe that possibly had political motivations, so some renewable fuel source would be useful.


👤 streamofdigits
Anything you stockpile will break down after a while. So you need to stockpile some electronics repair/manufacturing capability.

Its an interesting theoretical question what is the absolutely lowest digital tech level required for one to preserve functional access to e.g. text-only wikipedia and what kind of resources are required to maintain that level indefinetely.


👤 mindcrime
Huh, that's a really interesting question. I've never really considered the idea of "technological prepping" even though I might - to a small degree - self identify as something of a "prepper" in the general sense.

Part of it depends on that threat scenario you are prepping for. For example "disintegration of global supply chain" absent some more generalized sort of disaster resulting in the collapse of advanced society (eg, rise of the zombies, meteor strike, etc.) is one thing, where the more generalized disaster "SHTF" scenarios might call for different tactics.

For example... if you're worried about a more general "collapse of society" model, then it seems clear that simply having access to electricity at all would be a key thing to consider. So one might want to focus on batteries, solar cells, wire/cable, power electronics, etc., that would be required to get some juice available at all.

But something like a further decline of today's (largely pandemic created?) supply chain disruptions, where society is mostly intact, the power grid is up, etc. is a different question. What's the goal, commercial production of products for profit? The ability to repair commonly used household devices if they break? The ability to create innovative new devices from scratch?

The "repair parts stash" scenario seems to me as maybe the most likely one to be useful. So it seems like you'd want plenty of commonly used passives in wide range of values, a ton of "jelly bean" IC's, transistors, etc., probably transformers, fuses, etc. Microprocessors get tricky because there are so many out there. One might also want to tailor a stash based on doing tear-downs of the exact devices they own and pre-identify what parts would be needed.

Wow... I dunno. The more I think about this, the more it seems like a huge rabbit-hole to go down. In a good way, of course. It's just that there are so many parts that could be useful, it starts to get hard to figure out how to filter the list down.


👤 turtlebits
Power and water are probably the first to go, so..

- Solar panels, batteries, inverters. - Water purification


👤 jacquesm
Discrete stuff, 74 series, a bunch of 8 bit hole through CPUs, piles of CMOS static ram embedded in foam and alu foil, a bunch of 8 bit eproms, resistors and caps assortments, power transistors (2n3055, BD135), tons of fiberglass hole and strip board. Possibly a bunch of Microchip embedded controllers, And if I were worried about EMPs I'd keep a stack of ECC81s around. You can drive those straight of a bunch of solar panels if you're not too critical about plate voltage, but you'll need a beefy 6.3V supply for the filaments if you plan on building something a bit larger.

The rest of the parts you need can likely be salvaged from old junk.


👤 Koshkin
Doomsday maybe too strong a word in this context, but if the situation escalates (which it can) and things do get worse than just the disintegration of the supply chain then you can forget about "modern life." Electronics (and even electric power, at a certain point) will be the last thing on your mind when all you might be thinking about is sheer survival. What will be really important is a piece of land, a closely-knit community, and a lot of ammo to defend those.

👤 explaingarlic
Nobody's mentioning what I think should be obvious - a table saw, an impact drill with kilograms of sorted bits, whatever stuff you need for welding.

Soldering equipment + as many schematics of the PCB based stuff I own with enough spare parts to drown in. Kilograms of copper wire.

If there's no weight and space limit on this question, I'd get a car lift too. I really doubt that anyone would be in dire need of my sick ability to manually inject a DLL into the memory of a process if they were eating each other.


👤 phendrenad2
It's hard to predict what doomsday would really be like, but, excluding the possible doomsdays where you wouldn't want to live (nuclear fallout is nasty!)...

There are two types of tech you might want to preserve: Things that will store information (survival guides, plant identification, maps) and things that will help with daily life (GPS watch, electric drill, night vision goggles, etc.)

Focusing on storing information in a survival situation is smart. People would likely band together into groups, and if you can call up survival guides at a moment's notice, you'll be valuable.

I'd buy 10 each(!) of: 1. The exact same model of cheap laptop on ebay with chargers (you'll need the chargers!) 2. AC inverter that can power an AC device from a 12v source (such as a car battery)

You'll also need solar panels and if you can find a battery pack that can be charged by the solar panels, you'll want that too.

Storing all of this in a self-storage unit is likely enough to survive an EMP. Don't believe the hype, EMPs will be blocked by a lot of normal buildings.


👤 techsin101
books on herbal medicine and herbs classification

survival guide and venom antidotes

rock classification and identification guides

chemistry and physics advanced books

civil engineering books

seeds

metal equipments, knifes, wires, pans, ...

rechargable batteries

solar panels

satellite phone

radios receiver and transmitters

more wires...

dried fruits and cured meat

antibiotics and desanitizing chemicals


👤 chrisa
Are you talking like doomsday or zombie apocalypse prepping? Hm... In addition to what others have said:

- a few solar powered calculators

- several walkie talkies and a way to power them

- wind up flashlights

- repair equipment (soldering iron, wire cutters, wire, etc)

Would a lead box shield those from an EMP? If so, then put those in a lead box in a basement or something


👤 robbedpeter
https://www.opensourceecology.org/gvcs/

This is a neat concept - bootstrapping civilization is a matter of knowledge. Learning and documenting processes that can achieve food, shelter, clothing, and the like is an exercise that can actually help people in developing parts of the world, and can inform things like Moon or Mars colonies, or provide inspiration for sustainable development.

An offline, e-ink Wikipedia could be useful from a shtf perspective, but it'd also be cool to have around, just as a Hitchhikers guide to the galaxy type thing.


👤 oolonthegreat
this reminds me of CollapseOS https://collapseos.org/

👤 temp234
A high quality, huge storage volume, dedicated music player like the Sony NW-A55 stockpiled with all the music I want to share w my doomsday grandkids. Nice headphones and file backups too. Would hoard beloved media in general.

👤 jareklupinski
anything electronic would need some way of powering the device

personally I would stockpile power electronics / transformers / copper wire and magnets, and be the guy who can generate and then convert power from anything to anything


👤 7952
It's interesting how difficult it is to think of anything. Not much of that stuff keeps you warm, or fed, or safe. Maybe some battery Christmas lights to make Christmas a little less depressing.

👤 mikewarot
Learn to repair stuff, there will be enough stuff laying around that just needs to be fixed, to last for decades, if you have the skills. Stock up on solder, spare tips, electrolytic caps, through hole components, and get yourself a few hundred feet of old 25 pair phone line.

There are still a few hamfests happening, buy out everyone who wants to sell off their junkbox of parts.


👤 giantg2
Depends on the scenario. Probably no point in stockpiling stuff. Stuff you normally use is probably sufficient. My guess is only a few scenarios would ruin non-sheilded tech and leave you alive. Especially if networks/infrastructure are fried, you're probably better off getting low tech alternatives.

👤 egberts1
If EMP were to hit (by solar flare, nuclear, or weapon) then I would want nothing but Solar panels, LEDs, heating coils, wires, wires, and wires.

Can make soldering iron, flashlights, and heater with it. Everything else can fall in place.

Might not hurt to have a solar-powered calculator.


👤 buraksarica
Besides other things listed here, One hf, one v/uhf dual band ham radio and lots of cable.

👤 austinjp
If we're talking bare minimum electronics: radio, torch. Powered by solar or dynamo.

👤 Iefthandrule
Disaster.radio has planned for this [0]. I really like what they do.

0 - https://disaster.radio/


👤 fmakunbound
Maybe a ham transceiver with large antenna. Beyond that, water, food, guns and a stack of porn probably. Oh and my beer brewing gear.

👤 JoshCole
Underground cities. Nests of tunnels filled with decentralized infrastructure. I know it is counterintuitive because of costs. However, it is a relatively proven development path. Here are seven reasons I think humanity should invest in this:

1. The dinosaurs were wiped out by an asteroid. The small mammal we evolved from lived beneath the surface and we rose to prominence as mammals in part because of that strategy choice.

The species which did not choose to do this didn't do so well.

2. As humanity progresses to become a multi-planet species we will need to live in diverse environments some of which will not have an atmosphere. This technology helps to shield against impacts.

It will be useful to get good at this if we don't want holes in our space habitats caused by high speed debris to become a very common way for colonies to die.

3. It's actually better for us in a lot of ways. The ideal temperature in office productivity studies of seventy two degrees happens to be the natural temperature in cave systems. The suns rays cause errors in both our code and also our computers code, but the shielding provided by the earth protects from this.

We would be in a healthier environment.

4. It makes better use of our space. We currently underutilize the ground. Density is associated with network effects and healthy cities that are produce well. One of the things that is common in these places is subway systems. It's telling that are most effective places happen to also be the places where we've been starting this expansion into the ground. Another is underground utilities like water and sewage.

History is already showing us our cities are better when we move in this direction.

5. This could increase land value for much the same reason that building high rises increases land value. So development of it has some economic incentives which might make it practically possible. This is especially true when Wright's law drops the cost of underground buildings to a currently unfathomably low cost.

6. Where would you rather be if an asteroid large enough to cook the surface of the Earth hit the Earth? Underground insulated from that cooking? Or being cooked?

We don't want to be cooked.

7. Evolution has already selected for this strategy at the insect scale in one of the few species which is comparable to us in terms of having civilization: ants. The strategy manages to be successful even in climates wherein rain is exceedingly common and heavy.

The largest civilization on Earth which practices agriculture already does it. It's a clever idea. We should copy their good idea and make it our own.

Meta: Once you've done this, take the other replies, and put that stuff inside the city.


👤 slowhand09
Something I can play Solitaire on is a must. Unless I have an actual card deck.

👤 JohnFen
Buckets of transistors.

👤 basicplus2
Germanium diodes

👤 llamajams
555s

👤 zoobab
None of them.