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📣 blunte

Complete Deepfake Nudes – The Future?


This might be a bit controversial for HN, but it's safe to assume that some HN readers have been on the internet before.

For those who are familiar with some of the Reddit groups, you may have noticed a shift from simple sharing of photos to promotional sharing which leads to an OnlyF* type site where there is an economic goal. Nothing wrong with this, and not judging; just an observation.

So the question is, if we can generate incredibly detailed and believable faces, why not entire bodies with faces? This must exist already.

Who is working on a system to build adult content, made to order, that doesn't involve actual humans? We can already produce very believable landscapes, structures, and moving objects. How long until the carnal content is algorithmically produced?


  👤 themodelplumber Accepted Answer ✓
> How long until the carnal content is algorithmically produced?

I'll go you one further,

how long until sexual function is algorithmically interpreted and expressed? We may reach the point when human sexual function is seen, or even institutionalized, as a useful zone of concern for e.g. meaningful productivity output toward larger goals.

It used to be that you'd watch movies (or work in a place, IRL) where the businessman would work all day and then head to the club. Instant exhaustion relief.

But today's work environments are merging with the club, which IMO has been a pretty nice idea and a good way to build on psychological feedback loops. Early in COVID there were lots of funny WFH videos where sensory home life merged with office life, as well.

And what is sexual interest--what is sexual interest and activity doing for us? Can we learn to constructively stimulate sexual levels of interest toward some species-level goal beyond simple reproduction?

_Algorithmically so_?

(IMO a huge portion of society will not allow itself to consciously access this zone of thought, let alone accept it. Not just for religious reasons, but for overriding preferences reasons. There are big, important things that are more important to them than sex. But sex is still vital to humans, and we can't let one group's preference push helpful things away just because they're not used to dealing with them)

(2. I could see something like a sexual captcha in a mildly-dystopian future. OK you want free access to a few hours of our service, so select those that most excite you, anonymous person? And instead of stoplights or boats or bicycles in this captcha, you get some REALLY amazing images. Some are wholly, overtly sexual. Others--uncomfortable but FASCINATING?! What...? Why...? Nobody really knows; the algorithm is just algorithming, but here is an energy source, is nobody really expected to tap into it?)

Anyway thoughtful post, appreciated


👤 bsenftner
Back in '02 I started a project to create automated digital doubles of anyone. I was a developer working in feature film VFX, and had been doing actor replacements as a specialty. Long story short, by '08 I had an MBA, a global patent on automated actor replacement in filmed media, a team with Academy Awards for VFX, and working feature film quality technology.

However, '08 was the financial meltdown, and at this time nobody had ever heard of automated digital doubles or automated actor replacements, so my efforts to raise financing were met with dismay, disbelief, and ridicule. Demonstrating by creating digital doubles of VCs on the spot, I get accused of fraud. So bizarre. Slowly I manage to get traction with angels, only to have one of them "realize what this could do with porn" and they'd fixate on porn. No amount of debate would convince them that such a company would be a lawsuit engine, be hated by half the human population, and yet have no stable revenue because porn is extremely unstable, as well as filled with flat out criminal personalities. I end up disbanding that angel group and try again. Two more times I manage to get an angel investor team formed, only to have one of them fixate on porn and then all of them follow. The debates I was in felt like arguing with Lucifer.

While traveling through this arena, I met others pursuing actual porn startups. There is investment money there, if one want to have partners like Flint Publications, or Penthouse. They have tech groups, believe it or not.

I was trying to create traditional video and print advertising, but personalized, with you and your family/friends in the ads delivered to you. It is still a viable concept, and I still have working feature film quality technology to create them. However, every time I dip my toes back into this area I encounter irrational pornographic business fantasies, and I just do not want to play that game.


👤 smt88
I'm sure people are working on it, but it's still a cost issue.

Currently, a few min of animation at the level of a AAA video game is going to cost you many thousands, more than $100k if you're modeling off of human actors (which games do) and starting from scratch.

By contrast, you can pay a desperate person less than $10k to film hours of porn, and the end result doesn't have a risk of an "uncanny valley".


👤 angryasian
>So the question is, if we can generate incredibly detailed and believable faces, why not entire bodies with faces? This must exist already.

This already exists for VR, check out virt-a-mate. https://old.reddit.com/r/VAMscenes/. obviously nsfw.

you can have very detailed created women doing what you want in VR


👤 8eye
i am surprised nobody has taking the concept of shaders but used it for animated porn. i haven’t looked but you would assume it would be a thing by now considering how realistic video game graphics are becoming do to shading/light algorithms.

if you can textures basic animations of characters to have realistic skin, then that would be a major step towards ai porn, then the artist can draw however they want and a tool that would fill in the rest


👤 spansoa
The problem is thus:

People would prefer actual & real adult content over fake simulated versions. There will always be a market for the real stuff, because computer generated stuff feels weird to look at and enjoy. It's too simulated and false to arouse you properly.

(Of course there will always be a market for people who enjoy simulated stuff too, but I don't see it replacing real content).


👤 giantg2
Well, I think I remember reading an article saying amatuer type stuff was some of the most popular. Ostensibly one could interpret this to mean that people want the realest stuff. I think a lot of this is cyclical, so maybe in 20 years or so we could see it swing back and have hyper real deep fakes all over the place.

👤 tbihl
Maybe if sex work gets legitimized to the point of unionization. Then income from porn acting will go up, and with it the replacement of porn acting with deepfake.