HACKER Q&A
📣 behnamoh

Where are all the old Show HNs?


Searching for "Show HN" posts (using hn.algolia.com) reveals a sad story: Many of them are gone. I wonder what happens to Shown HNs, esp. the ones that are featured on HN, but then end up not existing anymore. Is it the server costs? Do they sell to other companies? Did the developer pass away and so did the link?


  👤 gnicholas Accepted Answer ✓
When I was working as a full-time lawyer, one of my colleagues told me to join HN and consider posting my side project there. I literally posted my Show HN [1] from my desk at the law firm, before going to lunch one day. My post made it to the front page, I took a screenshot, and then went off to lunch — figuring that was as good as it would get.

While I was gone, my post entered the top 3 and then hit the top spot. It stayed there for most of the rest of the day, and into the wee hours of the morning.

I happened to have been invited to a VC mixer that afternoon, and I remember everyone was super impressed that some random lawyer had posted a Show HN that was literally-at-that-moment the top post on HN. Some guy from Samsung introduced me to his boss' boss and said they should license it (the first of many leads I failed to convert on!) I left my legal job a while later to work on BeeLine full-time, and it's been 7 years since then.

We didn't go the traditional VC route, partly because we didn't have huge capital needs. Instead, I've mostly bootstrapped the thing, and we now have customers like Blackboard and Stanford (and a couple partnerships with HN/YCers, too! [2] [3]). There have been times where I considered going back to my legal career, but I would have kept BeeLine running in the background if so. I'm super appreciative to the community here, since it was what prompted me to make the transition to this very rewarding path!

1: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6335784

2: https://insightbrowser.com/

3: https://www.programaudioseries.com/


👤 boplicity
I've created so many failed projects.

In a sense, I've intended for these projects to fail.

I throw something out there, see if it sticks, and is worth pursuing. Most things aren't worth pursuing. I get bored, distracted, and find something else "shiny" to do for a while. That "shiny" thing is usually my actual business. Sometimes one of my projects succeeds, and becomes an "actual" business. Other times, it sort-of hangs on for years on auto-pilot. Sometimes one of those auto-pilot things takes off. If not, that's fine.

Many of these projects can be thought of like R&D; most R&D, really, is a dead end, or something that quietly gets folded into a pre-existing project, or just gets turned into "useful knowledge" for the next bit of research.


👤 tnolet
Random data point. My "Show HN" [0] for my side project back in early 2018 is now a 20+ people company. It was bootstrapped by me but we went the VC route later.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16608812


👤 mrmufungo
Two years ago, I posted a Show HN about a music streaming service I've been working on for about four years at that point. It was my first serious project I've ever worked on.

Check out the Show HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20309255

I'm still actively working on that project, and a countless number of features have been added. Yeah, a few people here and there use it, and it is costing me about $100 a month to host on AWS, but I'm not bothered. I'm still very passionate about this space, and nothing else really interests me as much.

If anyone is interested in checking it out, the site is https://ampl.fi/


👤 corobo
* Person makes product, shares it

* Nobody uses product

* Person eventually retires product

* Person makes product, shares it

I'm starting to think the business books that say find the audience first might be onto something honestly. I still don't want to do it, but yeah


👤 gmurphy
I did a Show HN eleven years ago for something called Dropmocks, which was an early use of the HTML5 drag and drop API to make image sharing convenient - it sat at the top of HN for that weekend, got Techcrunch coverage[0] etc, which made me feel nice.

A few things happened after that:

- A startup took the open source code and put it up a day or so later and got a few million dollars in funding to do image sharing, which made me feel bad at the time, but they later disappeared so it's fine

- Larry Page got a bit annoyed that I didn't do it as a Google project, and Sundar/my boss had to explain that I was just a Chrome staff member who got a bit excited about a new API - both of them were correct

- I had to panic-build a content moderation system from the airport on my honeymoon in response to some unsavory content

- It eventually got to 3TB of stored data, which was fine until billing policy changes at my storage provider meant that my monthly costs would've gone from tens of dollars to hundreds or thousands of dollars

- My day job was more fulfilling, so after a few years I shut it down

[0] https://techcrunch.com/2010/11/22/dropmocks-chrome-designer/


👤 johmas
Back in 2013 I posted a Show HN (was changed to Tell HN) for our one year old mattress startup Tuft & Needle. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6900625

The post resulted in a Fortune article (https://fortune.com/2014/01/22/meet-the-warby-parker-of-matt...) which helped to catalyze hockey stick growth and triggered a wave of vc money into the industry, we turned the interest down. The vc money resulted in new competitors for us (Casper/Purple/+200 others as barriers fell). This collectively caused massive change.

We grew to 250mm arr before we merged with serta simmons in 2018.. to disrupt within their brand portfolio. We’ve been working on their brands to mimic our model.

Our growth was 100% bootstrapped with no more than $6k. My co-founder and I seriously attribute our show HN as one of the reasons we were able to build our company the way we did and for spurring interest in our competitors to enter the market. The competition also accelerated our growth without the need of funding, their VC money fueled advertising raising awareness.

Anyways, one data point for you. Super grateful for this community.


👤 i_like_apis
Tangentially, I wish that more Show HN threads made it to the home page and stayed there longer.

Show HN threads are probably my favorite feature of this community. The "Show" sort at the top is great, but it feels like there used to be more threads on the main page and more participation years ago (perhaps I am imagining that?)


👤 personjerry
The biggest problem with early startups is finding retention: Finding a niche that will stick and continue to use your product.

Most of the projects on Show HN don't have retention figured out, so most of the traffic from Show HN will not convert into useful numbers for them.

I also want to point out that many Show HN projects wrongly assume that HN is the niche for them, simply because they themself are a "hacker". But this is not a useful distinction. If you're looking for your niche, for product market fit, you want to slice into small concrete audiences, like maybe "developers at 10-50 employee startups in credit building fintech within the bay area". Posting a Show HN isn't a cure to not having a niche of users, unless you're specifically targeting this niche.


👤 fxtentacle
I used to have a very successful Show HN for my 3D audio app spatialsoundcard.com

We got close to 2000 app installs in 24 hours. Plus it was picked up by a gaming news website, which led to further marketing opportunities for us. I have since sold the project to my cofounder and he redirected the domain to his main webshop. So while it looks offline, the product is actually still alive and well.

As for why there are no new ones: I decided to up my game by doing a riskier and more challenging project next. Maybe others did the same and then you'd naturally expect to see more time in-between two Show HNs from the same person.


👤 artembugara
I went through my Show HN submissions. Wow, I did 7 in total. Conclusion in the end.

A breakdown of each one with how much $ I've made for each one:

1) Show HN: Pygooglenews – Python library for advanced Google News data mining [0]

Result: 165 HN points, 1k GH stars, some user flow to our website (later about this one)

2) Show HN: Nuntium – API to track the media presence of any organization or person [1]

Result: 2 HN points, a side project which gave 0 results because we were just coding instead of thinking about what users want.

3) Show HN: News Extract API – Pull structured data from online news articles [2]

Result: 130 HN points, 200 GH stars, one 29$ recurring customer

4) Show HN: Newscatcher API Beta – JSON API to search for relevant news data [3]

Result: 4 HN points, 6 digits ARR startup we're still running!

5) Show HN: Py package to collect normalized news from (almost) any website

Result: 26 HN points, 2.5k GH stars

6) Show HN: A simple RESTful API to extract structured data from news articles

Result: Nothing

7) Show HN: 100k+ labeled news dataset

Result: Nothing

CONCLUSION: it's fine to fail on HN: success here doesn't mean a successful business, and vice versa.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23701343

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22946676

[2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22924869

[3] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22746586

[4] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22407835


👤 tjansen
I have a couple of old projects, some also on HN, that I abandoned. Most of them had static sites, so I moved them to GitHub Pages, but didn't renew their domains.

To answer why: these were all side projects. Over the years, I created at least a dozen, and I can't maintain them all. Most are obsolete. Their last update is many years old. The websites are usually not mobile-friendly. Some had links to sites like Google+ that do not exist anymore.

Every minute I spend on updating old sites is a minute I can't spend on the newer stuff I am working on.


👤 swiftcoder
We tend to view the tech industry through rose-tinted lenses because we mostly hear about the companies/projects that didn't fail - but statistically the vast majority of tech companies/projects fail.

I don't think it's terribly surprising that a high percentage of early projects demoed here don't make it to market.


👤 bfirsh
My Show HN for "Fig", with 15 points and a quip about it not working on clusters: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7002634

This got acquired by Docker and became Docker Compose. Swarm was the attempt at making clustering work.


👤 defaultchar
I submitted a "Show HN" post recently and watched it sink down the "new" page without any interaction.

I wonder if it's because I created a new account to post it, or more likely I had a terrible/generic sounding post title.

It's also difficult to pick the right time of day to post. I thought I had it right - picking Monday morning west coast (US) time, but I guess there is a big difference between just before and just after people get to work!

I would have liked to hear what people think, even if it's "This is bad, and you should feel bad".

Edit: https://defaultcharacter.com/2021-09-bookmark-controller-int...


👤 grinich
We launched WorkOS as a "Show HN" last year. [0]

Now we've raised almost $20M, employ 30 people, and have a ton of happy customers.

(Thanks HN! :))

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22607402


👤 busymom0
I recently posted my brand new Android (also iOS and MacOS) client for Hacker News called HACK. I was hoping to get more traction as I have seen many posts here asking about what mobile clients people use, so I thought people might be interested in my app. But not sure why it didn't get much traction :(

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28366991

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.pranapps.h...

3 years ago, I had also created the iOS & MacOS client for my Hacker News app HACK:

https://apps.apple.com/ca/app/hack-for-hacker-news-developer...

It has all the awesome features - login with your HN account and swipe to vote, favourite, reply. You can submit new posts too.

I believe my app is the only HN client to have:

1. The app has a built in reader mode as well as text to speech for an article or comment.

2. Push Notifications for replies to your post or comment.

3. Easily access an article via archive.is or archive.org or google cache

4. Built in browser has an ad blocker.

5. All the endpoints of HN.

6. Updated often. I have been updating both the iOS and Android versions as often as needed to implement customer requests.

There's tons of customizations settings and colours, fonts, font size change etc available in the app.

The Android version is brand new, so any feedback is appreciated.


👤 brundolf
Lots of Show HNs are just projects, not products. If that project costs money to host, and the person loses interest in it/doesn't acquire a dedicated fanbase, they'll probably stop paying the bills

👤 acutesoftware
I love seeing the experimental stuff and open source personal projects myself - they generally don't vanish after 6 months.

New products and startups will often pivot away to something else, so it you see a post highlighting www.fastchargers.io the company might well pivot into www.advancedknittedjumpers.io due to reasons - yes I am being a little cynical, but it really does happen.


👤 shadycuz
I posted several and they never got any upvotes. My personal projects are here https://github.com/DontShaveTheYak

I created a way to run GitHub actions on Jenkins.

Brought IDE completion to Jenkins pipelines.

Created a framework for testing AWS cloudformation without needing credentials or deploying resources.


👤 lbj
Posting on HN has become an artform that Im not skilled in. Years ago, you could just post an interesting post you can across and wrote, and frequently they would jump to the top.

Today it seems to need shadow accounts, or buy booster packs or some such. Suffice it to say when I announced ZimTik, noone noticed.

caveat: I could be generalizing based on a few personal experiences.


👤 mfrye0
That would be a great writeup. If someone tracked them down and figure out why they failed, how many were bought out, etc.

I'm sure there are a lot of lessons to learn in there.


👤 mattront
Eight years ago, I launched a desktop website editor with Show HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7023071

The post got to the front page and brought in the first two sales. That got the ball rolling and I was able to focus full time on the project since then, building a small team and continuing improving and expanding the app.

Here is the story of our first year: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8878381

And, I'll soon post another Show HN. This time for a side project created with my son.

Thank you HN :)


👤 tracyhenry
A week ago I posted one of the 10 most popular Show HNs: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28595967

It's an app that aggregates book mentions on HN. Dev costs (server, gpu training etc) would be one concern going forward. I can't monetize the app to cover the cost due to my current visa status (even donations are tricky to handle). Nevertheless, I'm more than happy to maintain the site up given that many people on HN find it useful. :)


👤 duck
I used a "Tell HN", but mine from 11 years ago is still going strong. :)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1494362

That said, I think most of them die because of a lack of time and/or other interests come along. I can't even count how many folks have reached out about starting a similar newsletter and only one or two kept going for more than year. With side-project especially, it is hard to find users, and that can be pretty discouraging.


👤 soared
My domain registration and hosting is usually set to expire after 1 year if I don’t renew, so that’s usually the check in point where I decide to let something live or die.

👤 folli
Sharing my experience: I posted four Show HNs over the last 7 years

* Genewarrior.com: A DNA sequence manipulation tool for Biologist. A handful of upvotes, almost no feedback. But the website is still up and running, mainly because I am using it from time to time and I still believe it's one of the most accessible tools of its kind on the web.

* Sunlocator.com: an Android app for interactive Sun position calculations. A couple dozen upvotes and some good comments. My most successful project, the free version has more than half a million downloads and it generates some nice pocket money. Definitely still up and running.

* Touch Remove: an Android app to remove objects from pictures. A fewv upvotes, almost no interest. It's still in the app store but retired. There are much better apps out there that do the same job.

* Nuftu.com: the most recent one, a NFT minter for people without any crypto expertise. No upvotes, no feedback on HN. On the other hand I've received good feedback and some paying customers from Producthunt. So I'm still considering on how to continue (ramp up marketing?)


👤 Sohcahtoa82
I've never gotten a project far enough to be able to be shown off.

Every project I've started includes some sort of technical challenge that I need to figure out. For example, one of my projects was a clone of an arcade game called Killer Queen (this was before Killer Queen Black came out for PC and Switch). I wanted to make an online PC clone, so I needed to figure out how to keep all the game clients in sync, account for latency, while also preventing cheating.

And I figured it out. Clients stayed in sync, cheating was impossible, and I could even handle clients disconnecting mid-game and could re-join and continue.

...but then I got bored and never actually implemented the game mechanics. Two years later, Killer Queen Black came out, making my clone obsolete, since I didn't have any features planned beyond what the original developer had done.

I've had other games I've written where the core mechanics and game loop are implemented, but I got bored and didn't want to do the tedious polishing to make it look and feel nice enough to be marketable.


👤 busymom0
Another Show HN I posted was my ResumeToPDF site which gives you a simple and effective template in the browser where you can fill the fields in and download the PDF of your resume. Unfortunately, it didn't get any votes :(

Unlike many online resume builders which uses an "image" of the resume embedded in the PDF making it impossible for your resume to be read by many company's resume reading software, the PDF my site generates has actual text. Also my site does not collect your resume data and it NEVER leaves your device. The entire resume editing and PDF generation occurs locally on your device. The service DOES NOT contain ads, trackers and other such garbage.

https://resumetopdf.com/

Privacy Policy:

https://resumetopdf.com/privacypolicy.html


👤 everling
My project 1) is a side project, meaning I can commit as much or as little time as I'd like 2) is something I use myself 3) doesn't cost too much to run.

I think these factors help the survival of a Show HN submission. Been running https://cinetrii.com for years.


👤 terrycody
Sorry but no one answered the OP question yet right? This thread is very weird, btw, I think they are buried in the archive, which you can only dig them up by using Google: 1: Go to Google 2: search this:" site:ycombinator.com ask HN

Sure, it may not reveal all of them, but if that post indexed before, it should be seen.


👤 holler
I posted a Show HN about a new social news discussion site last December and it shows up in algolia. Also, still working on it! https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25470672

👤 atum47
I use to post here my experiments and whacky projects, but I don't seem to have the time anymore.

👤 antoineMoPa
From my experience with ShaderGif, which had some success (144 points): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18666146 It's still online, but I'm thinking of turning it off every now and then.

The show HN did bring a big traffic spike for maybe a week, which brought a lot of dopamine. At this point I thought that I got the ball rolling, but the traffic faded away. After this, promoting the project became more difficult because every other channel brings much less traffic than what you see during the Show HN.

Maybe there is always something like a post-Show-HN depression, either because you got no upvote or because the traffic spike fades away.


👤 mijustin
We launched Transistor.fm three years ago with a Show HN [0].

The company's gone on to do better than we could have dreamed. We're profitable, paying ourselves well, have hired two people, and have a pretty calm existence (during the pandemic we averaged 25 hours per week).

Three things that helped:

1. Self-funding meant we needed to get to profitability as quick as possible.

2. We targeted a market we understood, where there was demonstrated demand. We weren't trying to invent a new category.

3. Having a co-founder (Jon). We had complimentary strengths (full stack dev for him, marketing and sales for me) that really helped us run fast.

[0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16755754


👤 open-source-ux
I have mentioned this before in other discussions, but there in a large element of luck in whether a Show HN post finds success on HN, or rouses the interest of HN readers.

There are many excellent projects posted in Show HN that get no traction (upvotes) at all. And then there a few lucky ones that suddenly take-off and make it to the HN front page.

There's no "wisdom of the crowds" moment that propels one Show HN entry to success over another because it's more worthy or excellent. In many cases it's simply down to random luck: capturing the attention of HN readers at a fortunate moment. Or not.


👤 kasbah
Our electronics project sharing site https://kitspace.org is slowly but steadily improving since we did our Show HN [1]. We are working on a v2 [2]. Will do another Show HN once that's live :)

[1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16537374

[2]: https://github.com/kitspace/kitspace-v2/


👤 dt3ft
I did one show hn for 20-things.com, but I received 0 comments. I highly doubt that anyone saw my post :) The project is alive and kicking, and I intend to keep it alive for many years to come.

👤 jasfi
Maybe because there are so many in progress, like mine: CxO Industries [1] is a SaaS I'm building to help founders create successful businesses. Creating a business is a very daunting task that many people fail at, especially the first time.

1: https://cxo.industries


👤 samlosodesign
You can find that along with the full backlog of several of your other favorite podcasts now exclusively on Spotify.

👤 zschuessler
Which query are you using where you see missing data?

I checked ten in the most popular and all resolved correctly. When sorting by date, I see a ton of Show HNs posted recently.

I was surprised to see so many Show HNs posted recently, I personally don't see them hardly ever on the front page anymore. Are they no longer shown as much?


👤 yoz-y
Personal anecdote: one ShowHN I did with a friend [0] did not take off and an update to iOS APIs made it very tedious to update. Thus we retired it.

[0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23497520


👤 EamonnMR
Many show hns use temporary domains.

👤 cdelsolar
My show HN was for Leftronic (YC, 2010), a company that makes dashboard software. We sold to AppDirect who now sells it as AppInsights. The exit was not "retire right away" but it significantly improved my quality of life and career prospects.

👤 badrabbit
Ok, so OP asks where are all the Show HN's and all the comments are advertising people's past Show HN's instead of addressing why OP isn't finding many of them?

Maybe I am overthinking this because I resent advertising disguised as something else.


👤 jcadam
Show HNs were great years ago, but due to the sheer size of the community here nowadays nobody gets noticed without a prearranged horde of up-voters at the ready and/or a little "help" from the mods.

👤 perilunar
Where are all the Show HN comments? Most submissions get 0-1 comments.

👤 kazinator
It could be that some of them simply moved to a different domain, and possibly changed their name. Or got absorbed into something else.

👤 nkrumm
side project idea: create a bot that takes a screenshot of all new Show HNs, and post a comment to the thread with the screenshot

👤 saadalem
not just HN but also on reddit and producthunt etc.., great ideas are everywhere, sometimes you just have to wake them up from the dead [0]

[0]: https://laskie.substack.com/p/idea-graveyards


👤 0des
Ah, such is life. The cycle continues.

👤 cm2012
9/10 new businesses fail. Most Show HNs are not even businesses yet.

👤 nixpulvis
Correct me if I'm wrong, but technoatrophy is setting in.


👤 imgabe
I just submitted one! Give it some love https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28682499