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📣 mardiyah

If the F35 is so bad, then why are foreign countries buying it?


If the F35 is so bad, then why are foreign countries buying it?


  👤 xnyan Accepted Answer ✓
Former USAF. Agree with the other comments about treaty obligations, personally I think the F35 is a prime example of insane, out of control project management that has become quite common in US aerospace development.

All that being said, the F35 does serve a role that others can't fill. When people think about fighters, generally two planes locked in a dogfight come to mind. This is a 20th century way of thinking about air superiority. Take the F22 as an example, it's well loved by both USAF pilots and the public, and is considered by many to be the most capable fighter in the world, yet in low speed maneuvers it can be taken down by a 4th gen jet that was designed in the 70s and costs a fraction of what the F22 does[0].

In a real combat situation, the older jet would never even see the F22 - that's it's real power, it's weapons and sensor platform are what make it the arguably best in the world.

The F35 can do a little bit of everything, but it's primary selling point is that it's essentially a flying digital weapons platform that can be adapted to any role - piloted or remote, wireless drone hub, recon, communications, sensor and targeting relay and so on. The general idea is that an F35 goes forward into the battle and projects the force of an air wing or carrier group with it's advanced communications and sensor package, all while being a capable fighter on its own.

[0]https://nationalinterest.org/blog/reboot/yes-france-shot-dow...


👤 a3n
Those countries are extensions of the US Department of Defense. Their military and economic systems have to integrate with ours.

It's good to be the largest military in your alliance, and to control the world's reserve currency.


👤 tacostakohashi
Because they got sucked in at the development stage, rather than waiting until it existed to see if it worked.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Martin_F-35_Lightning...


👤 Bayart
Nobody ever got fired for buying IB... I mean Lockhead.

For countries that are functionally vasals to the US, it's a risk-free decision, at least politically.


👤 valdiorn
Buying and selling arms is one of the cornerstones of strong alliances.

👤 necovek
Obligation under multi-lateral treaties of cooperation? ;)

👤 speedgoose
Because they get offers they can't refuse from USA.

👤 nradov
The F-35 is expensive and flawed, but it's the only 5th generation multirole fighter that foreign countries can actually buy today. 4th generation aircraft are no longer survivable against modern air defense systems. Competing products from other countries are still "paper airplanes" in various stages of development, not available for actual purchase in production form.

👤 sschueller
Right after Biden's visit to Switzerland to meet Putin the government decided on the F35 which suddenly became the cheapest option when originally it was the most expensive. 6 Billion Swiss Francs (6.65 B USD) is a steal to keep the US out of our affairs even if the planes are garbage. The planes are acquired directly from the US government and not directly from Lockheed as you would assume.

We also give the EU 1 Billion every 10 years and we aren't even a member. [1]

[1] https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koh%C3%A4sionsmilliarde


👤 the__alchemist
What else are you going to use to get close enough to a modern SAM?

It's flawed in many ways, but there aren't many (any?) similarly-capable alternatives.


👤 simonblack
I am yet to be convinced that the F35 won't turn out to be the 21st century Brewster Buffalo.

👤 CRConrad
1) Sucking up to the US (possibly as per [possibly non-explicit] treaty obligations).

2) If the Pentagon can be bamboozled, what makes you think the furriners' militaries couldn't?


👤 elisharobinson
in my hope of hopes i still want the yf23 to take flight again