HACKER Q&A
📣 Throwey12

Should I sell my house to fund my startup? Anyone with the same story?


Everyone says the market is frothy and startups raise unreal sums of money they don't even need at high valuations, yet I'm failling to. I never attended Stanford, didn't work at FAANG and I'm not even from the US, so I don't have relationships with founders/investors. I'm technical, yet need engineers to launch. I built an mvp, pivoted, did customer development etc. I'm full time for over a year, and I'm 25. The market is fairly new and many don't understand it, but I've been working in this space for 8 years, been working with biggest companies. I have multiple ideas I'm confident about if this one will fail. If you had a similar story - please tell it, especially if you failed.

So should I sell my house to fund my startup to some milestone? I don't need cars nor houses, I only care about building stuff and learning, only things that make me happy. Should I YOLO the fuck out of my life?


  👤 throwaway2a02 Accepted Answer ✓
No, you should not. Chances of it working out are probably slim. You probably don't need funding, as many solo founders can attest. Hiring should be done once the business is already generating an income, and should be scaled based on that income.

What happens is that if you do sell your house, (assuming you'll pay rent) things will get a lot more stressful for yourself financially, and this will severely hinder your mental performance and chances of success.

An even better idea would be to get a regular job and bootstrap your business in your spare time, on weekends. Once it takes off, you can quit the job and focus full time in it. Successful startups coming from this kind of environments are way more common than those coming from YOLO, all-in approaches you are thinking of. And this is precisely because of the way the mammal nervous system works. The ability to do creative mental work is severely impacted when under a perceived threat (financial doom in this case).


👤 throwaway158497
I am from IIT, living in US, On a FAANG salary, 40+ age. And I still stuck paying mortages on my home. I will stuck for next 10 yrs. Don't fuck life by selling off your house. YOLO, happy to build and learn, don't need cars, confidence etc are because of your age/hormones. After a few years, you will want a partner (because humans are social), may be have kids, your wants/needs will explode then. Do not give up the house.

All 25yrs olds are confident their idea will work. Only some listen to older people like me and accept that they may fail.


👤 eaenki
No. Basically zero chances any of your ideas will work. Even with funds and employees. I did a lot of side projects, maybe 30~ and 2 turned into companies which made me a great, great living and then failed for the most unexpected sh1t.

I’m sorry but you either roll the dice a ton of times with extremely small amounts and hope for a big win Which is very unlikely or you have to play with other people’s money. In case you haven’t attended Stanford, too bad I guess. You’d have to meet rich people some other way.

At this point I regret investing the net worth I accumulated through my companies and investments in more pointless companies of my own trying to shoot for the 9-10 figure net worth. It’s pure nonsense unless you use OPM. I regret not buying a home in bad conditions and fixing it up to luxury and living happily in it with my girlfriend and dog. It would’ve been fun and awesome and wholesome. Then I could’ve done that many times over, slowly building a fancy net worth in decades instead of years but living Vicariously through every minute of it. So since I just turned 24, my plan is to do exactly this.

So no don’t sell your home please


👤 option_greek
I'm on my 8th Startup and I can assure you every one of them looked like they are definitely going to work out and I should YOLO the heck out of them.

But reality is obviously different. Not YOLOing and keeping my day job let me work on the next one without too much stress and let me improve my skills as a founder.

Finally my 7th one (which I started with a group of friends) is going some where and I'm working in parallel to launch 8th (with same guys) while we are trying to improve traction for 7th. I can confidently say now that startups are less about technology and more about getting to solve customer problems. Often even the idea isn't going to be original but as long as its helping some one, there is a chance to make a product out of it.


👤 mustafa_pasi
You should never risk you personal wealth on startup ventures, ever.

Startups the SV way are hard to do, if you are not part of the bubble. As you said, you don't have an "in" so nobody is going to easily give you money. You have two options:

1. consider a different growth strategy, startups are not the only way to grow a business, focus less on growth and more on stable income, try to acquire at least one recurring client

2. build your reputation, then you will get capital, doing no.1 first will also help you with no.2.


👤 Lichtverschwend
I'd say that if your MVP did not convince at least one prospect to sign at least a pilot with you than no additional number of engineers will fix that. You risk to end up with a feature rich product nobody buys minus your house.

👤 LinuxBender
Absolutely not. Get a business planner / financial adviser ideally from a reputable bank to review your business plan. They will ask you the right questions. Incorporate your business and keep all funds separate from your personal funds in accounts tied to your business. Get to know other entrepreneurs and network with people. If people believe in your plan they will invest in it. Investors will determine if your plans have acceptable risks.

👤 nthngtshr
I don't think it's the craziest idea, and in some circumstances I would probably do that, e.g if I had an extra house or two.

But even in that case I would try to take advantage of the frothy market before selling a house. Raising money is hard and takes a lot of effort even for people with connections and good credentials. But if you succeed it's probably going to be more money and much less financial risk for you.

The best advice I can give to you is try to join a startup accelerator. It sounds like I used to be in the same position as you are (no FAANG, no fancy degrees, not knowing any founders / investors, also a foreigner. I didn't have a house to sell though, lol). Joining a startup accelerator changed that very quickly for me and helped me raise money.


👤 claudiulodro
No!

My recommendation would actually be to double-down on the house and pay off any mortgage you may have on it. Once you have a paid-off house, you have basically infinite runway for playing around with startups.


👤 jhunter1016
I remember when I first was considering going full time on my side project. I was convinced that with $200k I’d have enough runway to make it work. I met a VC at a party and even mentioned that plan to him. He laughed (rightfully) in my face.

Our brains are not equipped to predict the money it takes or time it takes for a business to become successful, because the variables are too great. Selling your house would be like me raising $200k. It’d buy you a year. But at the end of that year, it’s still very unlikely that your business will be paying for itself, let alone paying you a salary.


👤 monkeybutton
All of the advice you've received here is good, you shouldn't sacrifice your personal security no matter how good it looks.

But! To provide a contrarian example, one of guys involved in creating Guitar Hero faced this exact dilemma and took out a second mortgage on their house in order to fund the first round of production of guitar controllers: https://www.vice.com/en/article/wx8bey/the-oral-history-of-g...

The circumstances were unique because at the time investors were extremely hesitant to fund specialized hardware runs. His gamble paid off handsomely but it's probably the exception to rule.


👤 ENGNR
Went the opposite way, kept the house (not even making directors guarantee) and bootstrapped the startup between freelance contracts

It’s slower, but the contracts keep you in constant contact with real customers, and it’s lots of small dice rolls until one comes up good, rather than a big one that can’t go bad. Plus the house goes up in the mean time

We’re now scaling up the team and looking at capital so it’s worked well


👤 gtirloni
To each his own but I'd never sell something that provides basic life needs (shelter) to embark in an adventure.

Maybe you can consider selling the house (it'll take a while) and pouring SOME of that money into a startup, if that's your dream. But always keep X months worth of your expenses in the bank. Where X is probably >24 or more since you likely won't be profitable right away.


👤 mritun
You have an idea you can’t explain to investors. How likely is it that you can explain it to your employees then?

Here is an idea. Take debt on CC or a line of mortgage. Pay a contractor or two for a while to develop the product a bit and see how it goes.

Successful founders are great communicators. If you aren’t one, it’s unlikely you will make it to a senior position - whether it’s your own venture or not.

Signal you are looking to sell your house is on when investors tell you - “I understand what you’re building. It’s great. You even have customers MOUs signed and maybe even have paying customers, but I can’t fund you because market size is too small. Good luck.”


👤 zombieprocess
You're 25 and working in this space for 8 years?

👤 thehappypm
Honestly you sound pretty charismatic, and maybe a little dumb. Don't be personally financially dumb. Be dumb with other people's money.

👤 giantg2
No!

You need a place to live, money for a potential future time when you can't work, and other basic necessities. Investing is about balancing risk tolerance with reward potential. There is a massive risk associated with investing basically everything you have in a startup when relatively very few become successful. It's extremely likely that you will lose it all.


👤 wrnr
No don't shoulder all risk yourself, find investors, if it ever works out there will be more than enough to go around.

👤 sjducb
No, here are some better ways.

1- Raise from VCs/Angels with just a pitch deck. Loads of people do this and there's lots of advice online. Big downside is that you give the VC most of the company. Big upside is low personal risk. If you really need to hire engineers immediately (despite being technical) then this is probably the only route.

2- Sell the product to a client before the product exists. Use the money the client pays you to build the product.

3- Save 70% of your income for a year, work evenings and weekends. Quit your job when you've got enough runway saved up.

4- Become a contractor, work 4 months for clients, 8 months on the startup.

5- Start the company with grant money. There are lots of grants for small tech business

I've worked for people who did all of these. Currently I'm trying #4.


👤 throwawayfoo123
Absolutely not. TLDR bootstrapped myself years ago before I had paying customers and market validation. Don’t sell your home. Just don’t.

Get someone to pay for what you are selling. Then find another customer. Iterate and keep building from there.

Once you have established some traction, then you can start thinking about (and ask HN) how to approach outside funding/how to scale the business.

Money follows money. So if you start having success, ultimately you will be able to find outside investment, if you even want it.

Side note: I have worked for several startups. Most in the beginning had investments from friends and family.


👤 landemva
Wondering if potential angel investors hesitate because: idea, market size, you.

A dedicated founder in a good market is often fundable.


👤 mbrodersen
Sure. That’s like playing the lottery: if you win you will make lots of money. If you loose you could end up homeless. Now what are the chances of winning the lottery again? Are you enough of a gambler to accept those odds?

👤 leesalminen
Have you considered raising some capital from existing or potential customers (maybe some who want some specific functionality)? I’ve seen mixed success in my SMB B2B SaaS niche.

👤 brianhorakh
Im in a similar circumstance. Do you own it outright? Where do you live? I have a plan to access liquidity (using cyrpto) rather than a direct sale. Looking in to the risks.

👤 71a54xd
Risk someone else's money not your own. If you can't convince someone else to risk their money on your idea, it's probably not good enough even if you manage to execute and ship.

You have a house at 25, let that sink in for a bit. Why fuck yourself when you don't have to?


👤 f6v
Have you seen all those startups raising money for the most ridiculous things? It seems like getting funding isn’t such a big deal if you know how to sell stuff. So what makes you think you can successfully sell to customers if you can’t sell the business idea to investors?

👤 p0d
Sounds like you may be spending someone else's money? Either that or you have managed to acquire property at a very young age?

If someone else has set you up I think it is worth consideration before you yolo. A lot of work may have gone in to get you where you are.


👤 orzig
There is a middle ground - you can take a loan, with or without a fraction of your house as collateral. I’ve never done it so don’t consider this a recommendation, just an idea.

👤 dragosbulugean
You should do it.

Even if you don't build a successful business/startup, you are going to learn so much that making the money again is going to be a piece of cake!


👤 pvaldes
Not. You will need a physical place to receive mail and work, and can't receive your clients in a dark alley. Many startups started as a room in a home.

👤 dave_sid
Nah probably not. Better idea would be to do it yourself. If you are already technical then there’s nothing stopping you, you don’t need magic engineers.

👤 is_true
I wouldn't. Having a place to be is nice for those times when you doubt yourself.

It's not the same being homeless than being unemployed.


👤 dcolkitt
What is your startup idea? You’ve got a thread on the front page of a website that’s visited by a huge number of angels and VCs. If you’re going to pitch ever, might as well pitch now.

(Also my vote is no. If you’re already technical, just bootstrap the engineering work yourself. Unless time to market is an existential risk, there’s no reason to hire more engineers. If need be find another cofounder or two to split the work.)


👤 deeblering4
No, you should not YOLO the fuck out of your life.

Keep going, but find a way that doesn't involve risking homelessness.


👤 danielmarkbruce
What's the thing you are working on? How much do you need for some version of "step 1" ?

👤 rajacombinator
No. If you can’t convince others to pay for or fund it, you shouldn’t be convinced either.

👤 markus_zhang
Can you elaborate why you don't need a house? Do you prefer to rent?

👤 ganoushoreilly
No. Work on the MVP, find a customer and or customer/partner and move forward.

👤 joshxyz
Absolutely yes, if you're out of your mind.

Don't! Haha.


👤 aaccount
NO!

You are not your startup.

Keep your personal finances as far away from your startups finances.


👤 nxpnsv
Doesn't sound like a great idea.

👤 bobthebummer
DO NOT DO IT! Start small, the "investors" will own much of your company.

Live with it.


👤 a-dub
i don't think anyone i've ever known owned a house by 25.

👤 canti
As long as you have a good pile of savings to fall back on, fuck it, YOLO the fuck out of your life. Why not right? Worst case you can always go back to wage slaving.