Have you found a chair that makes you happy? Given the amount of time I must spend at a keyboard, I am willing to spend real money. For reference, I am a 40ish 5'10" male with an average build (pandemic deterioration notwithstanding).
I also have a treadmill desk, and it's great for humdrum work, but sometimes it is necessary to sit down and dig in when the task at hand is more challenging.
Due to lockdown restrictions I took a risk and ordered one without trying it first (knowing I had the return policy to fall back on).
I was immediately disappointed with the comfort when it first arrived, and almost sent it back. But I stuck with it for a few more days and found that once I'd adjusted to the chair, I now find it the most comfortable thing I've ever sat in. I've since read that it's quite common to take a few days to adjust to a chair like this, where the ergonomics are very different (better) than cheaper chairs.
I used to get various aches and pains after sitting in my cheap office chairs for a few hours (even with breaks in between), now I find that there is almost no upper limit for how long I can comfortably work in this chair.
So yes it's f*king expensive, but I do highly recommend it. A year on, I think it was a very good investment.
BTW I highly recommend the Atlas Headrest for the Aeron - it looks 100% like a genuine original part and it really makes a big different to comfort (in my opinion). The only downside is the headrest alone costs about the same as what I used to spend on "upper-range" office chairs from Staples.
My employer sent me a Steelcase Series 1 to use at home and it's total crap compared to the Leap. The back adjustment is either 89 degrees (totally upright) or like 10 degrees (basically laying down), nothing in the middle. Those numbers may be approximations based on my feelings.
I have a $40 chair I bought on Amazon and it's almost as good as the Steelcase Series 1.
But let me tell you something: I recently bought a split keyboard (Dygma Raise) and it allowed me to change my posture significantly and adjust the chair height, and it made me much more comfortable. Chair height is such a changing factor, and pretty much every one supports it.
I am also considering buying a keyboard tray to attach under the table (just search for Keyboard Tray on your favorite sales website) so I can lower the chair even more.
I am also considering a foot rest.
So, to conclude: comfort is not only the chair, but everything else around you, which makes you sit differently.
Getting uncomfortable after remaining stationary for 15 minutes is normal. Your body is telling you something - being stationary is the enemy. I think trying to optimize your chair is the wrong solution. Instead the answer is a diverse work environment you can move around in and continually adopt different postures! My favorite work environment is a carpeted floor which I can lie down on, crouch, sit up, work at a coffee table, or even pace around. Any one of those postures would probably get uncomfortable after a while, but I cycle through them too quickly. Admittedly this probably wouldn't work well for work involving huge amounts of typing, such as long form writing - but for the kind of programming and data exploration I do it's great! I've always been a fidget, and being able to fidget with my entire body feels like I'm finally embracing something I was always meant to be doing.
This working style has only become practical in the last decade or so, with the advent of very light computers with excellent battery life, and I don't think we've culturally caught up.
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These chairs aren't for everyone, i encourage you to try them before you buy!
The ones i know personally are
- Aeris 3Dee
Super nice chair, very ergonomic, quite pricey, starting at around 1000€
- Dauphin Stilo with 3d-balance system
Bought this chair for my adult son who is super happy with it and uses it lots. Costs around 550€. I may buy one for myself, too.
- Haider Bioswing
I bought a used chair with this mechanical principle and it's pretty good but not as good as the other two, at least for this (quite old) chair. A new one would probably be more ergonomic
The thing is, high end chairs differ radically in comfort. I thought the Embody was a great chair but the Aeron outdid it. I thought the Aeron was great but the Mira was better. For me, of course.
If I ordered online I wouldn't have known this. At the most I'd have returned the Embody for an Aeron but not found the chair that suits me best - the Steelcase Gesture ;)
To answer your question, I would recommend going to a furniture store and trying chairs from Herman Miller and Steelcase.
Ergonomics depends on the right distance from seat to floor, from arms to floor and from eyes to floor. A good chair solves the first, a good adjustable desk solves the second and a good monitor arm solves the third. If you only solve one, you won't be comfortable. Especially if you're tall, you'll realize that most default setups are not built for people above 6 feet. Without my monitor arm, I was always craning downward to look at my screen. Without my desk my legs wouldn't fit underneath and my wrists were always angled downwards.
I bought a DX Racer Drift looking for the foot rests, but I rarely use those.
The big, big difference I saw in gaming chairs over most of the desk chairs is the ability to recline the backrest independently from the seat. While most office chairs will allow you to recline, the seat is fixed into the backrest so the angle between your legs and your back is always fixed at 90 degrees. Being able to tilt just the backrest, making a >90 angle between my legs and the back is the super-dupper-killer-feature for me.
I usually leave it slightly over 90, not too much, maybe something like 110 degrees, which gives me max confort without hurting my shoulders (which start to hurt if you go too far back, as you lose some support while typing).
What I found in the end is that all this ergonomics bs is just that: BS. Find a chair that works for you, it does not even need to be expensive. For a long time I was using my kitchen chairs because they were less painful then my previous two other office chairs.
I think I spent about $250 on the saddle seat, and $150 on the drafting chair, so it's a pretty cheap solution that offers a lot of flexibility. I made the desk from a full sheet of plywood cut in half, finished smooth, and glued together to make it thicker and some electric legs I bought for $250. All in about about $700 for the desk and two chairs.
https://www.amazon.ca/Goplus-Folding-Gravity-Reclining-Outdo...
You'll need a monitor mount to give enough space.
If your tastes are more haute couture than mine, or indoor patio furniture doesn't match your decor, there are more elegant version of the same "zero gravity" idea. Versions with wood and leather and padding and so forth. But my tastes are simple, my aesthetic sense is stunted, and it is the most comfortable I have ever been working at a computer.
In 2018 I purchased an Aeron Remastered which for some reason I did not care for, it seemed to tilt differently in the seat and I felt the front lip more on my legs.
So I sold it and purchased an Embody, which I've been very happy with so far.
I think they are only for commercial buyers, but our office uses SitOnIt Torsa chairs (https://www.sitonit.net/productcatalog/torsa_taskchair.html) which I have found to be quite nice in quality and comfort.
Its design somehow encourages you to change positions regularly, which is important to avoid getting sore.
I have been sitting on these chairs daily for 8-16 hours a day for ~8 years now with no pain and no complaints. They hold up quite well too.
With the money saved vs an aeron between the two I could buy a laptop.
- Nowadays, I'm mostly using a kneeling chair.
- I've also built a button chair. (See the TED talk at https://buttonchairs.org). I use it some of the time, and it is okay.
- I also use a fairly plain wooden chair at times.
Additionally, I take regular breaks (every couple of hours) and go for a walk around the block. I've also heard that exercising your core helps.
I like this chair over Aeron as I don't like floating mesh seats. It's fabric so it breaths. Has good options for me to change it's configuration quickly/easily through out the day.
My advice: look for something used or refurbished (although this is harder than before covid since so many people want good chairs now). I got the steelcase leap on craigslist from a used office supply store. They basically buy up furniture from companies that go out of business. When I went to pick it up they did a complimentary steaming for me. And it cost me $150 vs closer to 1000 new. The chair is about 15 years old, but Steelcase chairs are very well made and it honestly doesn't look more than 1 or 2 years old.
It is not a desk chair.
It is a laptop chair, and the laptop gets used as intended.
In my lap.
Yes I don't get multiple monitors. Instead I use xmonad and get nine screens just a two key keychord away. I switched when I was older than you and have never looked back.
Sitting with the laptop in my lap lets me shift my weight, arms, eyes, etc. when I start to feel discomfort. The hardest part was learning not to try to power through discomfort after decades of habit.
Good luck.
- I find the Mirra than the Aeron and more comfortable for my body (2 years on the Aeron) - I've used various Steelcase models and liked them but not as much as the Mirra or Humanscale (~7 years on various Steelcase) - My issues tend to be caused by over exercising and I think the relaxed options with Humanscale are good for this.
Another thing is: you most likely need to move more. Find a sport and do it regularly. You don't have to be especially good at it. Key is to have fun and do it regularly. I also had problems with sore legs over a long time. Not so much with a good chair but it still was there sometimes. This is often a circulation issue.
- Sit correctly (adjust height of seat, keyboard, monitor etc => Youtube has guides for sure) - Stand up regularly and walk somewhere (fetch tea, coffee, water). You can even go outside for 5 minutes.. This will also benefit your eyes. - Do sports. You can even just do a stroll every day.. it will help.
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At the time I was doing my CS final project and was putting in consecutive 12 hour days. I had chronic back issues, and had never been able to pull that kind of project off without at least some back pain! I was sold on this chair.
Once I graduated and got a real job, I upgraded to an Aeron and never looked back. That being said, I got a significant discount by shopping used on eBay. There are people who go to offices, buy the whole lot of used chairs, then refurbish and sell them. Paid about $650 for it, and I feel good knowing there are replacement parts available if something wears out in the future.
I threw out the headrest and the lumbar thing, though. Didn't find those comfortable.
Having used many office chairs for extended periods over my career here's my ranking. (I have a long torso, and use it for productivity, not lounging).
* Herman Miller Embody (current main).
* Ikea Jarvfjallet
* Ikea Karsten (discontinued but great and cheap. Ikea Volmar and Flintan are similar).
* Ikea Markus (non-adjustable lumbar sucks for long torsos).
* Clutch gaming chairs. (all gaming chairs sweat hard).
* DX Racer gaming chairs. (built for short people).
* Generic $100-300 office chairs (uline, source office, etc. Horribly uncomfortable after 4+ hours)
* All other cheap office or cheap gaming chairs.
It's really hard to guess what you'll prefer; just keep your eye out for trying out as many as you can. Also note Aerons come in 3 sizes, so maybe you like the M better than the L, or vice versa.
Think you have a couple of comments recommending the Embody. This is a copypaste of a comment I wrote a couple of years back:
I have an Embody. They are fantastic chairs. Couple of quick things you should know:
* They're heavy as hell. Probably the Aeron is too, but I was shocked just how heavy the chair was when I was bringing it up stairs.
* They aren't very adjustable--kind of. The whole thing about the Embody is that it, in theory, adjusts to you by itself. The tradeoff is you have quite a few less axes of manual adjustment than you do on most ergo chairs. In particular, there's no lumbar support setting--instead it has a back curvature knob, but I've heard from people who couldn't find a good fit. Test it before buying.
* They don't use cushions.
I can't remember if the Aeron is like this too, but the Embody seat uses [several layers of] plastic webbing as a spring layer and then a lightly padded fabric sling on top that rolls under in the front (it's extendable by essentially unrolling it). The back is the articulated skeleton and a frame with lightly padded fabric over it.
It is quite comfortable, but you will notice the webbing causing the fabric to wear a little in its pattern after a few months, particularly in the seat. You don't feel it at all, though. Just keep in mind it's very much a firm support ergo chair, not a comfy exec chair.
That said, I love being able to swing my arms backwards to stretch my shoulders and chest and absolutely adore being able to lean back and arch my back to stretch with the chair following my back curve and arching with me. It even twists with you some.
When you do get it dialed in right, it's like sitting on a super-articulated back brace with a butt hammock and wheels.
Edit: also, be careful how you buy them. If you expect the Herman Miller warranty, make sure you get it somewhere authorized. Most of the really cheap offers aren't. Your employer might help. I went through my then-employer's furniture distributor as part of a larger shipment, so I got it for about 50% retail.
Gizmodo actually did a pretty nice review with pictures of the construction I mention: http://gizmodo.com/5071571/herman-miller-embody-review-the-b...
It's not a "chair" per se but paired with a sit/stand desk, it's comfortable and encourages good posture. I have owned it for the past year and have put it through its paces, it works equally well when transitioning between sitting and standing, and also while sitting full-time.
It moves up and down, and it's got a heavy base so you can sit down solidly, or stand up and just lean into it when you want some weight off your feet. The top is very plushy and you can even sit with your leg/foot underneath your butt and it doesn't dig into you or anything.
As a caveat I am 6' 1" and don't weigh very much (165-175) so depending on body type, using a stool instead of a chair might not be a good idea.
However if you are the type who kinda thinks this might work for you, it probably will. I was skeptical at first but it's paid off for sure. At $99 ($89 if you find a promo code, look for reviews on YouTube) it's cheaper than most terrible chairs from Amazon.
I heard many people talking about Herman Miller Aeron, but the price is high and availability low here, so for $100 I am happy with my purchase. I definitely don't recommend any Ikea chair, we had several in my family and none is good enough.
Another thing that I saw it works very well with any chair is standing as often as possible; every time I am in a meeting I stand and walk around in my home office while I am talking, while doing desk work I stand and take a walk to grab a tea or water every hour even if I am not thirsty; that minute or two helps.
[1]: https://www.kinnarps.se/produkter/sittmobler/kontorsstolar/8...
I moved to a new office and they gave me a "very expensive" Steelcase leather chair, and it gave me back pain.
I then invested in a Herman Miller Aeron (newest model as of 2021) and it's the greatest chair I have ever had. But keep in mind, I intentionally use it for doing work. Work chairs suck to watch movies and relax in. If you have good posture and you want your chair to help you with your posture they are pure gold.
I have spent over 22 years in a chair, and I have spent 22+ hours a day in my Mirra and 10+ in my Aeron (I am older and wiser now, ha!) and I wouldn't go back to anything less ever again.
NOTE: Do NOT get the Herman Miller Cosm, it is a conference chair NOT a task chair. Go to a show room if you can and try them out, it was worth the time to drive there and do this for me.
So instead, I bought the Staples Hyken Mesh Task Chair[1] which has a cult following. For the price I paid on the original Haworth chair I can buy nearly seven Staples Hyken chairs. The Hyken built quality is plastic and yes it feels cheap, but so far it's been very comfortable and no issues with sounds. Again, for the cost, I'll just throw it away and buy another.
[1] https://store.haworth.com/products/fern-office-chair [2] https://www.staples.com/Staples-Hyken-Technical-Mesh-Task-Ch...
By the end of the search, I came to the concluson that for extended comfort:
1) Unless specifically designed for it, chairs with mesh seats are best avoided if you are bigger than the average person (say 90 kg + ), as the mesh distorts too much causing the frames to dig in (Aeron had this problem).
2) The chair must allow the spine to move easily while still offering support: - Back reclines separately from the Seat. - Back's lumbar support is not solid, but instead has plenty of flex and give in it (where both Aeron and Leap fell down).
3) Trying them in stores is a waste of time as a plank is comfy for five minutes. If an extended test is not possible, then the best bet is to look for one that works for someone with the same physique as yourself.
Didn't change my life. Even like half a year later, sometimes I'll touch an area under the chair that's constantly covered in oil and makes my fingers black, even though i've wiped it down several times. The left arm rest has a long crack across the length. And I found it bizarre that when you assemble it, the main part of the chair just plops down onto the roller base, and doesn't actually click in anywhere, so if you were to lift it up vertically the base would fall off.
Later on I bought an Autonomous standing desk and it felt like a much better investment. I think no matter what kind of chair you get, if you're sitting all day every day, you're gonna have back problems. I'm still getting used to it, but if you have the option, I'd go for a sit-stand desk over a chair.
I took a Steelcase Amia for 200. I used it like 3 times because my girlfriend loved it so much she took it. Her back problems are much worse than mine (barely any) so I let her have it. A couple weeks back I found another one on FB marketplace and I got it for 100. This one with some kind of meshier fabric (not see through and not hard) on the back so it’s a bit breezier.
What this comes down to is: you need to sit on them to figure it out. Sit on a few different ones to see what you like and what you don’t.
People claim the Aeron is great, but we have them at work and my legs always go numb and the lumbar support is painful in any position. I hate it with passion, I rather sit on a stool. But others love it.
The kneeling chairs mimics my natural sitting posture in the office chair and the stool, but it's brutal on my shins after an hour or two. Sitting like that (which I do anyway) is also quite bad for my hamstrings, which are super short.
I don't really get back pain so much as hamstring and hip pain, but using a resistance band to do a few stretches a day helps a lot.
A couple more personal observations: if the chair can rotate over the horizontal plane, I don't really want it to have wheels. I can turn away from the screen and stand up, no need to displace the chair away from the desk. Actually, the possibility to do that is extremely uncomfortable for me, it's like trying to walk with skates on.
And of course, consider that the chair isn't the culprit, at least not the only one. Squats and dead lift make wonders, can confirm.
I like the Mirra 2 more because it it suspends my boney ass in a way that I can easily just forget that I'm sitting for hours. As another person mentioned, this is awful for general health, but if you'd be doing it anyway, this is one option. I also like it because it's more adjustable, and looks way better. It's the nicest thing I own, and after 7 years, (12 year warranty), it's pristine. I've also tried the Sayl, and HM has a few othwrs that look and feel great. I'm sure the Aeron can be good, but I don't find it to be. I do not have a headrest either, and I'm a good few inches over 6 feet.
https://www.reddit.com/r/OfficeChairs/
I can't vouch for how good the information is, but there is a lot of discussion.
I used to be picky about having a good chair. My back, legs, shoulder, and neck got sore. But now, try to improve the setup and it bother not much anymore. I just got a normal chair. Some issues I used to have and why:
- sore legs: I keep raising my legs or holding tension without me knowing it. The setup should keep your legs relax
- sore back: I didn't lean on the chair without me knowing it. Because screen might be a little far and I'm short-sighted. Naturely, I lean forward to see clearer
- sore shoulders: the table is too high or too low. I realized my shoulder needed to work all the time to keep my hands on the right position
- sore neck: screen angle is too high or low. I realized my neck also adjust naturely for the eyes to look at the screen. Set the screen at the right angle allow neck to relax more
Hope it helps
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The chair should be witdh-adjustable. It's important to sit on your sitting bones.
Still, after some hours I need to change to another chair (Ikea Marcus is great or some gaming chairs) or standing, because the sitting bones start to ache.
I suggest to do the Pomodoro Technique. 5 Minutes breaks laying down on the floor. That helps a lot. Change in the working periods from mainly sitting on the sattle-chair to standing or sitting on a normal chair. Try to sit on the sattle-chair as long as possible. I found standing a long period of time not working for me.
For that reason, I chose a standing desk chair, Capisco Puls (https://www.fully.com/chairs/for-standing-desks/hag-capisco-...), that I can keep the desk at the same height no matter I'm standing or sitting.
I've been using this chair for more than 2 years now and am still very happy with it.
For me the solution was to go to a few stores and actually sit on a bunch of them until I found one that had lumbar support at the right height, and mushy enough on the actual seat and armrests. Nothing but the seat height is adjustable on this model, but at the end of the day I spent 1/5th the cost of the cheapest Aeron chair available at the time.
With that said, no chair will save you from the wrong posture. Which also means: never ever, ever, ever consider using both the laptop's screen and inputs as anything more than an "emergency use only". At the very least either use an external monitor, or use external K&M with the laptop on top of a very tall support that puts the center of the screen right at eye level.
Try to keep moving. Pile up emails, youtube videos, essays, whatever you need for work in audio format and transfer them to an mp3 player. Go for a run/bike/shop/walk or whatever you feel like outside. You can even make calls work like that, but I don't need to do many of these day-to-day so I wouldn't know.
Stand up desk. I need to do a bunch of programming so standing up is highly preferred with occasional eye breaks and walks to refill on water/tea.
Chair. Occasionally I need to sit. Might get a lot of hate here, but swivel chairs distract me and tend to promote a bad posture over time. They also tend to be expensive to make. I go for a thin padded basic chair, no folds, no mechanisms, without arm rests. I try to sit for 1-2 hours max and go to standing up again.
Hope this helps.
I have been using one of these for the past few years.
https://shoplifeformchairs.ca/collections/high-back/products...
Although it's a Canadian based company, they have dealers across the US - https://relaxtheback.com/apps/store-locator
Anything that is adjustable with a chair can be done with one of these. It's unfortunate that they are expensive and marked as "executive" chairs but the chairs are a couple of notches above Aerons and the SteelCases in comfort and adjustability.
Bought one 10 years ago, still great. Main thing is that when you lean back, the base slides forward, but doesn't lift up at your knees. Lumbar support is adjustable, same with armrests on all axes.
At the time, I went around and sat on all the "fancy" office chairs I could find, Herman Miller Aerons & Embody, Harmony Freedom etc. The Leap was the best from the moment I sat down. I got one customized with the colors I wanted, chrome frame and headrest. It was expensive, basically AUD 2K at the time, but the best office investment I made.
I've tried basically all of the premium chair options from Herman, Steelcase, etc. but haven't found a better quality:price ratio than Branch's. The value is just so much better than any $800+ chair (added plus, Branch is a small company and their customer service is excellent — you can trade in your chair for credit when you're done with it).
Check out the elevate if you're looking for strong upper back/neck support: https://www.branchfurniture.com/products/ergonomic-chair
I have a 10 year old old $100 Ikea chair that works for me.
Personally I prefer a standing desk, but admittedly I often kneel on a traditional chair on and off.
How did I make the decision to buy it? I went to a store that specialized in ergonomic office furniture and asked them if I could work from the store for a day while trying out different chairs. They said sure and that day I tried four different high-end chairs from Steelcase and Herman Miller while sitting on each one for about two hours. This trial helped make my decision easy and I readily went with the Leap with confidence. Interestingly enough, I strongly remember, after that day, leaving with the impression that the Aeron felt like sitting on cement for two hours.
Only $250 and it's really nice.
https://somaergo.com/products/somacustom-chairs/somacomfort/...
There are loads of options but that chair in particular has a design I’ve not seen elsewhere, which has a narrow back so your shoulders can be free to move/retract. I find normal chairs to be quite uncomfortable in comparison now that I’m used to this one.
Nothing wrong with the Aeron, but I find the Zody is (1) a better price ($200 used for mine, or $650 new[1]), (2) more attractive, and (3) the adjustment mechanisms are smoother (armrests in particular).
The Zody has pretty much all the same kind of ergonomic options as the Aeron. Although, the backstop and forward tilt option is not standard on all Zody chairs for all time (mine has neither)
Over the many years and different office chairs I've finally found the holy grail:
===> Serta Smart Layers Jennings Super Task Big and Tall
(NOTE: there seems to be another version without the word "Super" that I have also purchased and its bottom cushion/back support is sub-par. do be vigilant)
- Supportive, soft leather (or substitute I dunno) cushions - Good neck/head support - Comfortable arm rests (though after 6 years have begun to flatten)
Good luck!
https://www.ebay.com/itm/124317815232
I removed the tiny, useless swivel wheels and covered the bottoms of the feet with felt padding.
Also, I do not sit for prolonged periods. Right now by happenstance, my home office / lab has three computer stations, one with this chair, the other are makeshift standing desks -- plywood on top of boxes.
Great lumbar, head and neck support, lots of adjustments. The reclining is very nice, it’s on a double pivot. Pretty sure it’s a ‘replica’ of a Scandinavian design, the same design featured in HBO’s Silicon Valley (the CEO chair)
I paid closer to $300 this time last year, but apparently it’s gone up to nearly $400 now.
[0] https://www.upliftdesk.com/pursuit-ergonomic-chair-by-uplift...
$120 — Bayside Furnishings Metrex IV Mesh Office Chair
I haven’t had it for long but so far so good. I’ve had Aerons at work and this seems to do most of the same job. The armrests aren’t good, but (I don’t tend to use armrests anyway. I might customize them a bit. Feels like they could be hacked somehow to have them sit lower.)
I thought I'd splurge a bit (on a name) without trying it out. I only paid £250 used and have had it for about 3 years now.It's ok, but not great. It squeaks a LOT and I can't figure out for the life of me where to lubricate it to stop the noise. The seat is too hard. The lumbar is too shallow. Adjustability is great though. Everything can be moved to accommodate.
Overall it's just a bit meh.
That said, it's head and shoulders above anything I've sat on from Ikea. But I'm going to keep looking.
https://www.hon.com/chairs/wave/hvl705vm10
I do often accidentally smack the foam arm rests into my desk and they end up cracking after a few years of abuse. But you can get replacements pretty readily and they're easy to change (two screws).
https://www.anguloconsulting.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/...
I was able to get one at a huge discount via a secondhand office supply company, but I know they became harder to acquire as the year went on. Good luck!
I've had an Ikea desk for the same amount of time as my chair, that is probably more or less an ADILS, currently about $25 ($9 for the top, $4 for each leg).
While I have had some brief back issues, they went away, so I haven't been desperate to find a better chair, if there is such a thing.
The Aeron size B is just a tad too wide, the arm rests are too far apart but the seat depth is just a tad too short for me.
Overall, though, I just accepted that this is one of those “fighter plane cockpits can’t be average on all fronts” situations and the Aeron size B is good enough for me.
For comfort, getting my arms on the arm rests and my keyboard split far apart is the best thing.
I got my two Aerons in lab liquidations so I spent some $200 each.
I dont buy that ergonomic chairs are any better for your body, there doesn't seem to be any real research showing this is so. They are just less comfortable.
It's extremely durable though so I'll probably be living with this mistake for a long time :)
I miss my padded chairs but the padding always wears out
[1] https://www.ikea.com/us/en/p/oerfjaell-swivel-chair-white-vi...
The idea that having a slightly less comfortable chair would lead to more movement has proven true. It's also relaxing enough to sit in when I'm tired of standing up, but not super comfortable to slouch in, so it encourages better sitting posture.
The Embody beats the Aeron for my preference – the "pixels" aren't a gimmick, and it was more adjustable to my needs.
Pro tip: Lookup the corporate dealers/authorized resellers and give them a call. It's not uncommon to get one new for 30-50% off the retail price. You may even be able to find people who're making group purchases on some local forums.
Prior to that, I was using the HON Exposure recommended by the same Wirecutter site at time and I still own it.
I’m similar in terms of height, build and age.
Steep but worthwhile investment. Sometimes what feels best doesn't perform best.
I think they tend to run about $1700 USD so not inexpensive, definitely worth trying any chair in person before spending money.
The desk-chair recliner by Altwork is the way to go and demos are available in the Silicon Valley area.
At some point, these will be cheap enough for the masses.
This was after years of doing the normal 'buy $200 chair from local place every couple years' routine. I've had this chair now for probably 12 years with no issues at all, no wear either and I sit in it for 8-16 hrs a day too.
I highly recommend looking for a used Aeron; they are everywhere and can easily be refurbished and cleaned. My current gig offered me a brand new Aeron for $150 CAD (net) so my used one is going to get cleaned up and resold.
I then tried a Herman Miller Aeron and Leap but didn't like them. I went with a Steelcase Gesture that I had at my last employer's office and I love it.
So after realizing both IKEA Markus and a gaming chair were just murder on my back I ended up getting one as I was improving my office.
Works great. High thin back that suit me as a tall person, good support but shoulders can move back. Armrests removed I can get close to the desk.
Very happy with it.
You can get good refurbs on ebay just avoid madison seating. They are a scam (got sued by HM). They list chairs NEW on ebay that are literally refurbs.
It is unusually large, robust, fake leather, very comfortable, but they stopped producing them at some point, more than ten years ago.
This chair followed me in five cities and three different countries, it doesn't look brand new, but still in a pretty good shape.
And it was quite cheap, about 90 euros.
It's the first time I buy an expensive chair:before I was spending around 150 to 200€, this one is 400€.
I have no regret, for the first time I can spend hours seating without any problems.
Given this experience I would not go back to a cheaper chair.
They're the same quality as Herman Miller but quite a lot cheaper
(disclosure: I'm an investor)
As others mentioned I'd also suggest optimizing other parts of your setup: desk height, keyboard height/angle, keyboard itself (I love my Keyboard.io Model 01, monitor height, etc.
It is wonderful, I did not have any adaptation time and it firces me to make micro (or macro) movements while I sit.
I also bounce on it, lay flat and twist my spine.
I really recommend to try.
Along with the Aeron I often use an inflatable cushion, the "Gymnic Disc 'o' Sit". Sitting on it keeps me alert and greatly improves my sitting posture.
You definitely should check out our seating line if you’d like an option that offers a fair amount of adjustability and (though this is subjective) a home office friendly aesthetic at a sub $300 price point. If you’ve got a higher budget ($400-500) and willing to work the liquidator / Craigslist home office grind I’d honestly endorse the used Aeron approach as well — they’re rock solid chairs, extremely adjustable and buying used is objectively better for the environment (we have a trade in program for our enterprise clients and working on one for consumers).
But beyond the chair you pick, three big lessons to keep in mind:
1) For most folks in tech, it’s not the chair that’s the problem. Adjusting it to your body and needs is critical to maximizing its ergonomic benefit for your body. Something like 80% of office workers only adjust the height and tilt of their chair. Would strongly recommend giving the user manual for the chair you buy a read (download it online if used). We offer an ergonomic consultation to every buyer and are working on a few cool tools to guide folks who use our furniture in making the most of it.
2) The rest of your setup is equally as impactful to your comfort. Get a monitor arm or put your monitor on a stack of books. If you’re short or petite, get a footstool so you upper and lower legs are at a 90 degree angle to each other and your backs of your knees don’t press against the chair seat. A standing desk makes a difference, if not for standing than to adjust the height of your work surface to your own height.
3) Take breaks. Seriously. There are no chairs I know of that will support you adequately over 10 or even 8 hours of work, summed over weeks and years.
I’m so glad to see this question being discussed! Figuring out the most supportive setup for your needs is like flossing; you don’t always see the benefit immediately, but you’ll be glad to have done the research after a decade of desk work (and perhaps before). Feel free to reach out — email in bio — if you have any questions about ergonomics. We also released a cool guide to basic ergonomics that might be worth a read. [0]
[0] ergonomics.branchfurniture.com
Nothing has worked for me. I have given up and moved to a standing desk.
I use a wooden counter height chair when I get tired. It works great for me!
Late 40s 5’9” here.
Also farting on an Aeron is a whole new life experience.
Check out PostureHealth: https://theposturehealth.com/beta
The app uses your webcam to monitor your posture and alerts you if you've been slouching for an extended period of time. It's a desktop app and no visuals are stored/recorded on the cloud. It will also remind you to take walk breaks and gives you stretches for back and joint care.
Also, it's amazing for squatting on.
Aeron Miller was the 2nd alternative but ended up going with steelcase.
I've had it for almost a year and would still recommend it.
The best posture is the next posture (move from time to time).
Used a Herman Miller Aeron, yes...pretty decent. Is it worth retail though? No. If you can pick one up cheap, then fine. But I had some backpain/shoulder issues with the office chair I had, looked for an Aeron. Couldn't find one. So I bought a SIHOO off Amazon, as good, back/shoulder pain gone, and can now put in a 10-hour shift no problem (iirc, Gamer's Nexus had a review on this chair, there are other Chinese clones of it). It is as comfortable as any chair is going to be.
it's only $220 and much more comfortable than $1400 Aeron that kind of forces you to sit in a certain way, plus you can fold and seat on your leg if you're into that kinda thing