HACKER Q&A
📣 brundolf

Should you buy a car with cash if you can afford it?


I may be buying a car soon (nothing fancy) and I should be able to comfortably afford it without a loan. So I'd avoid interest, but this would mean I couldn't have that money in investments during whatever the loan period would have been. So it's unclear which approach works out to be better overall.

Obviously the exact answer depends on a lot of specific numbers that I'm not laying out, but broadly speaking, is this a sensible thing that people sometimes do or is it likely a bad idea?


  👤 WheelsAtLarge Accepted Answer ✓
Buy used and pay cash. Usually loans are expensive in terms of interest and additional charges. Also, people tend to buy a more expensive car than they need since the payments seem affordable. Lastly, your time has value. The time used to make the monthly payments is time best used on something else. I argue that even a minute of Netflix is a better use of your time.

👤 hkarthik
It really depends on the financing rate. At below 3.0%, it doesn't make sense to put too much cash into a depreciating asset like a car when your money could be put toward other investments that can probably net more than 4% return.

I still feel better paying off a car in 3 years rather than 5, so I usually suggest making a few extra payments to make that happen.

You will get a better deal with more incentives with dealer purchased cars if you finance. They may give you more for a trade and negotiate more on the final price. Perhaps even give you a few extra options for free.


👤 muzani
You guys assume a lot of self-discipline. I see a large amount of cash in my bank account, I'm going to be buying a lot of unnecessary luxuries and some unnecessary necessities (insurance, air conditioner, leather seats for that new car...)

But if it's really a necessity, just buy it rather than trying to optimize for that 1% extra income.


👤 jqpabc123
The answer should be obvious.

Is the return from investments more than you would pay in interest on a car loan?

If yes, then take out a loan for the maximum amount possible and invest the remaining, available funds that would have gone toward the car and you will come out ahead. Otherwise, just forget the loan and pay cash.


👤 iab
If you can get 0% apr for 60/72 months, why not do that? Also seems like there is more negotiation done when financed vs cash.

https://www.carfax.com/blog/0-apr-car-deals


👤 gnicholas
I once bought a VW and intended to pay cash. After the price had been fully negotiated, the salesman said he had done me favors on pricing and asked that I do him a favor by financing, which helped him. He asked that I keep the loan outstanding for at least 2 months so he would get credit for the origination. I agreed to do so only on the condition that they reduce the price of the vehicle by the amount of interest I would have to pay during those 2 months (I think it was around $250).

But it was all for naught; the car ended up being a lemon and VW of America bought it back from me soon thereafter.


👤 thiago_fm
It is important to make the obvious note that a loan means somebody is renting you money and charging for it. It will always be bad. Now about buying a car.

The best financial decision is to not have a car, it only generates expenses and usually are high cost to maintain, as you need insurance, maintenance and so on. As public transport isn't available everywhere, let's go on with the list...

The second best decisionis to buy a used car and pay with cash, not getting a loan.

The third of buying a cheap used car and getting a loan.

The 4th is buying a new car without a loan.

And the worse being buying a car you can't really afford, brand new with a loan.

The value of the purchase value of the car is pointless. What matters is how long you intend to stay with it, because when you do. You can factor in insurance + maintenance + depreciation and divide it to understand how much you will spend per month(This is how companies do accounting, you should as well do for yourself!). A lot of cars you lose at least $1K per month. You want to reduce this value as much as you can. Get a car that gives you just enough comfort, has a good reputation of not breaking down and doesn't consume a lot of fuel.

Just imagine instead if you had that $1k per month for yourself, invested it and perhaps was lending it to a clueless person to buy their own car. This is wealth :-)

As you can see, buying a new car is a bad idea. Sometimes it is even better to get a loan to buy a used car. A lot of used cars are sold very cheapily after 2 years and most of its value is lost. A used car has actually a better resale value than a new car, supposing when you bought it it was used.

So even if you end up buying some crooked car with real issues despite being only 2 years old(uncommon), you can always resell and buy another 2 years old used car.

If you really like cars and driving... and want to drive expensive cars, it is likely cheaper to rent them, drive it for a while and return it. You even get to experience different cars.

Brand new cars is for emotional buys, people who don't really grasp economics or are just too rich to care about it. Are you any of those options?


👤 rolph
the optics of large cash transactions are still dicey. even if you are doing nothing wrong, make sure your not going to be hassled

👤 dazc
Pay cash and buy a car as a means of transport rather than an extension of your ego.

[Advice I should have given myself many years ago.]