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📣 spacemansam

What is/are the primary limiting factors in setting up an IC fab


Not quite an ELI5, but perhaps high-level-ish query - I'd appreciate if anyone who has industry knowledge could explain it like I have an electrical engineering degree but only a passing familiarity with chip manufacturing.

I'm talking specifically about comparatively new process tech/smaller gate widths and I'm hoping the answer isn't as simple as, "it's expensive" or "export restrictions".

That is to say, is the challenge technical (if I was a rich supervillain, could I hire a team to build my own ASML equivalent - or is that form of lithography so complex that it's hard to replicate ). Say I could buy the machines, is it then only a matter of money to set up the fab to production levels ? Or is that a technical gamble too ?

I see a lot of discussion about other countries trying to get into the fab business and I guess, with my lack of understanding of the technical challenge, I always wonder why a state-level entity can't just pay X billion dollars for what is, arguably, an amazingly valuable asset.

I've heard (apocryphal?) stories, here on HN and elsewhere about countries trying (at least on paper) and failing - a recent attempt in China (failed for several reasons), past attempts in India (failed on infrastructure requirements). It was pretty fascinating from a bird's-eye view of the supply chain that results in a chip today.


  👤 brudgers Accepted Answer ✓
The fact that a chip fab is a state level asset suggests that one of the problems is that there are likely to be competing state level interests with a dog in the fight.

Or to put it another way, some of the difficulties are analogs to those of developing nuclear weapons. There are trust issues in the supply chain due to an adversarial aspect to the undertaking.

Or where does one buy the latest lithography hardware?


👤 sigmaprimus
There are quite a few IC manufacturers, CPUs are produced by far less but that probably has more to do with international IP laws and government backed corporations monopolizing the supply chains for regents and workforce through buyouts, mergers and imigration(I bet it's pretty easy for a qualified cpu designer to get a green card a.k.a. Brain Drain).