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📣 marshallbananas

Why are monitors matte and laptops glossy and not the other way around?


It boggles my mind why the thing that's meant to sit in one dark spot is protected from glare and the thing that's meant to be carried around is not. Is there any reason for this?

I understand that mobile phones have glossy screens to be more scratch resistant (although I'd still prefer a matte phone), but why laptops? Even MacBook Pro used to have a matte screen option 10 years ago but now all you can do is either buy an ugly screen protector or hide from the light.


  👤 miahi Accepted Answer ✓
Glossy screens look better in ideal conditions. The matte screen diffuses the light (that's how matte works) a bit and reduces the contrast and it looks a bit blurry.

On phones, capacitive screens use a glass layer. Apple extended the glass layer to the laptops because it looked better (probably because matte screens looked worse than phones). Before them the screens were matte. Of course, everybody copied Apple and introduced glossy screens, because when looking at a glossy and a matte screen next to one another (in a shop) the glossy will win. And of course, everybody introduced glossy screens without the anti-reflection coating that Apple uses (cargo cult), so it made everything worse.

There was a time period when you had to really search for a non-glossy screen. Now it's a bit better, you can find them, but the touchscreen ones will always be glossy, and I did not yet see an OLED without glossy screen (could be because they are more fragile, although folding OLEDs do exist, so it's not clear).


👤 mg
Many developers prefer matte screens because it makes text easier to read and puts less stress on the eyes. Many designers and gamers on the other hand prefer glossy screens as they look more vivid.

As a developer, I could not use a glossy screen for the life of me. Thankfully there are many laptops with matte screen. I keep an up to date collection of them on Product Chart:

https://www.productchart.com/laptops/sets/1

I made a show HN when I created it for the first time. Let me find it ... ha! 5 years ago:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10197939

Unless we discover a type of glass that lets light pass in only one direction, this divide between matte and glossy screens will probably continue up to the day we all wear VR headsets.


👤 desmap
I'd say this is the product of brand dna, targeted audience and a bit of randomness. I think a good glossy screen with this special coating which makes reflections barely visible and if, then they are deep purple such as on MacBooks, is on par with matte screens. Latter try to avoid the reflection by blurring them which might work here and there better but at the end of the day it's a matter of taste since this matte blurs coming from reflections are also annoying.

Non-coated glossy screens or with a cheap coating are clearly inferior in this regard.

Coming now to other motivations, a glossy screen at the point of sale: A Macbook with a glossy screen in a shiny Apple Store is just way more impressive and will trigger more impulse buys. It's like a jewel or expensive watch sparkling in all its glory at you. Glossy screens go also seamlessly to the edges or in other words, there is no bumpy plastic edge which just looks more like a slick and polished product. In contrast, ThinkPads are more of an enterprise product and not in need to trigger impulse buys + need to signal "hey I am workhorse for professional users" => matte screen. But be aware that Lenovo puts glossy screens on very similar specced Yoga models which target consumers and are found at the point of sales. Those models have also more showy aluminium cases while the Thinkpads have also beautiful cases but their beauty is more of a subtly beauty which needs longer to lure buyers into a buy (if they aren't loyal ThinkPad users already). To drive this even further, Lenovo recently introduced alu-cased Thinkpads and a new subbrand "Thinkbooks" to target really any user out there. So, matte or glossy is more about demographics and their value system and beliefs than about functionality.

Last advantage which most forget: High-dpi screens have eg way crisper fonts on glossy than on matte, hence are overall sharper, eg code or a terminal on a 300dpi glossy screen is just incredible (check out 4K 13-14 inch notebooks or Dells 8K 32 inch).


👤 mixmastamyk
Another thing, why are almost all laptop screens 16:9, making me scroll my work and webpages vertically... while most tablets are 4:3 where I watch movies? It's back asswards.

👤 sitharus
IIRC from the days when glossy became popular, matte screens scatter incoming and outgoing light, but glossy screens reflect incoming light and transmit outgoing without scattering. So in a showroom the glossy screen looks better - blacks are blacker and colours are brighter. It's the same effect as TVs having a showroom mode that jacks up the brightness and contrast.

Why this didn't happen to monitors I'm not sure. Perhaps monitors are more often purchased online based on comparing specs, but laptops are more of a fashion item since we managed to make computers pervasive in society.


👤 kranner
Why do you assume a desktop monitor is meant to sit in a dark spot? Desktop monitors are used in all sorts of environments.

👤 zerof1l
Latest Lenovo Legion laptop series, for example, have matte screen. There are also anti-glare screen sticker, but it blocks some of the light and makes colors look dull. Just look for laptops with matte screen.

👤 deltron3030
Glass is easier to clean/maintain and less delicate compared to matte panels, and is therefore more mass market friendly. A matte screen is easily scratched by the wrong cleaning utensils.

👤 webkike
You can move a laptop away from sun light, but eventually a monitor will have some amount of glare, unless it is nowhere near a window

👤 karmakaze
There are 3 kinds of screens:

- glossy (glass): vivid, easy to care for, susceptible to reflections, cheaper.

- matte (anti-glare): colors not as strong, can be comfortable. Worst in bright sunlight.

- anti-reflective: colors almost as vivid as glossy, difficult to care for, costly. Not really difficult (warm water and soft cloth) but more difficult than the general public can do. Used on high-end displays/TVs.

You can tell the difference between anti-glare and anti-reflective as one has more texture/grain vs smooth. Also when looking at the reflection of a point source of light, the anti-reflective will dim the point, the anti-glare will spread it out like a ball, which is why it washes out in bright ambient light.

For a high resolution mobile screen only glossy and anti-reflective would give a good image in wide range of lighting (assuming you can shuffle to avoid reflections). Care and cost prohibit anti-reflective.

My preferences are anti-reflective for home monitors, glossy for laptops, phones, tablets.


👤 innocenat
My laptops has always been matte screen until my current MacBook Pro. Never gain. After this I am going back to non-Apple laptop.

(To clarify, Glossy screen is part of the reasons, but there are tons of thing I hate about macbook pro)


👤 refulgentis
Much easier to move my seat at a coffee shop than move my desk at BigCo

👤 aasasd
For people who are stuck with a glossy screen: I don't know what the author is talking about with ‘an ugly screen protector’. A matte protector worked great for me: I slapped it on the 13" screen right after buying the laptop, and it's been there for eight years, zero problems with it. The whole thing with a protector is that it's transparent, so personally I'm looking at the picture on the screen, not the film.

👤 nikau
The same reason monitors and TVs have the blue levels turned up high - it looks better against competitors in a showroom to the average consumer.

👤 opensmtpd
Screen Coatings section of this reddit post may be related although it does not directly answer why it is the case.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Monitors/comments/gyii6k/gaming_mon...


👤 ohazi
You're really only stuck with a glossy laptop display if you insist on buying one from Apple.

Some of the flashier models from the Apple wannabe manufacturers are starting to go glossy or have a glass overlay, especially if they have a touchscreen, but the vast majority of laptop displays are still matte.

E.g. All Thinkpads and Dell XPS models are available with matte displays


👤 amarant
I often dream about a laptop with an e-ink display.

There are e-ink displays with colours, and there are e-ink displays with acceptable (to me) refreshrates (around 30hz). I'm not aware of any display that has both, but surely it will come.

Thing is, I don't think anyone will build a laptop with such a display, cause everyone is into selling sexy looking mirrors.


👤 technion
I have a pair of HP Elite monitors which are glossy in my home. As far as I know they don't make these any more, but I've been using them for over ten years and I've resisted upgrading to bigger because I enjoy the gloss so much.

👤 diebeforei485
Technology isn't good enough to have a matte display that is also bright in all conditions.

Hopefully Apple's micro-etched matte tech from the Pro Display XDR makes its way down to consumer machines.


👤 ComputerGuru
HP ZBook is available with matte screen. I think Thinkpads, too. Recent Dell UPxxxx desktop monitors are glossy, but the XPS laptops are not available in matte.

👤 m463
my guess:

- laptops are purchased by consumers and are shiny and modern looking. Personally I think glossy sucks, but it's like buying a shiny clean car when you see it in the store.

- monitors meanwhile, are very large and will not fall "in your shadow" so to speak. You will see everything behind you. Even with a matte screen, I have to turn off lights behind me to see dark ares on the screen, like when watching a movie.


👤 is_true
I've had one dell and two asus and all of them had antiglare screens

👤 the_gipsy
My Lenovo has a matte screen.

It doesn't look pretty compared to a macbook, but it's much better on the eyes in a lit room.


👤 totalZero
Glossy screens have better contrast and matte screens cause less eye strain.

👤 natch
The user can easily adjust a laptop or seating position by a couple degrees or so to avoid most reflections. Unless of course they have made a spectacularly poor choice of where to sit in the first place, in which case a matte monitor won't help much either.

👤 prabhu1234
It is simple. Glossy looks glorious compared to matte. Truth is - Generally speaking, matte is good for eyes. On average, those who buy Laptop vs those who by buy Desktop, we can see difference in IQ/Experience.

Poor IQ people go for glossy, Good IQ people go matte. So, manufactures are forced to release more and more glossy laptops. Certainly, Apple played a big role in pushing glossy. Please forgive, I don't want to insult people with Laptop. I too have one glossy Laptop and two matte Desktop. It is a cruel joke for me!.