HACKER Q&A
📣 person_of_color

Occult Coding?


Have there been any serious attempts to tap into unseen forces through code?

For example, I loved the idea of TempleOS accessing the word of God through a random number generator. A similar idea from a different age is the use of the I Ching to predict the future.


  👤 h2odragon Accepted Answer ✓
Charles Stross has a few ideas in his books about it. There were Usenet "electronic prayer wheel" .sig blocks, which I always thought was a nice gesture.

Expect that anything serious along these lines will be quiet and kept within the faith; the technical details of oracles aren't often bragged about.

Now ask: How many people are using code as an oracle of the divine? Whatever the garbage output buy a computer is, some people will treat it as holy. Stock trading algorithms, pandemic modelling, even bad spreadsheet statistics ... PowerPoint exists for no reason other than to brush bullshit with the magic touch of computed veracity.


👤 throwaway29303
You can't tap into something which doesn't exist. I suggest you read about chaos theory, statistics, probability, quantum mechanics etc. Something which is random is by definition unpredictable, so, no, you can't predict whatever through randomness. Even if you picked a pattern from a True Random Number Generator (TRNG) and somehow you successfully predicted something using that pattern it wouldn't mean anything insightful or deep, it'd mean you were very VERY lucky.

In sum, we as beings were shaped by the forces of evolution and that made us biased on all sorts of dimensions (visual, cognition, etc). Our perception of reality is completely different from that of another creature, for example. Humans are not "perfect." (Whatever that means.)

There's also a fine line between what seems to be correlated patterns and schizophrenia. Pareidolia phenomenon among others also come to mind.

Please read about those subjects - I assure you there's a lot of interesting stuff about them and there's equally a lot of gaps about it as well - but that doesn't mean that "occult" or "magick" or whatever is real. It just means not enough resources were spent trying to understand these phenomena. Because most of the time these things do not return something useful to people at large and science is - in principle - meant to benefit humans in general.


👤 tlb
You might like http://unsongbook.com/, a novel based on this premise.

👤 a0-prw
I had an idea for a story along these lines. A young programmer doing late-nighters, getting deeply into code written by a deceased master, getting the feeling of connection by reading the comments, debugging and so on.

Very small pool of potential readers, but it would be quite cool if done right. Nothing overtly supernatural.

Based on personal experience ;)


👤 oedmarap
Not that I'm aware of but it would be a fascinating (albeit fictional) deep dive if I ever came across some anecdotes of that.

By "similar idea from a different age" I'm assuming you're speaking of Terence McKenna's Timewave Zero?

Never heard of TempleOS before, but God speaking through the machine isn't quite a novel theme I guess (referencing Ghost in the Machine[0]). I reckon at some point Machine Learning will resemble the fabled Artificial General Intelligence, and that subsequent emergent property could in turn be conflated with God by some stretch of the imagination or context — if it uses a TRNG vs a PRNG well then we'll have something on our hands :)

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_in_the_machine


👤 brudgers
Seems isomorphic with artificial general intelligence ideology.