HACKER Q&A
📣 security_hack

How much to charge for first freelance consultancy?


I'm a PhD student studying cyber-security (aviation security in particular) and was recently approached by an avionics company who wants to hire me for advice based on my academic research. The most money I've ever earned before this is something like $25/hr in an internship. They're asking me to quote them my monthly rates and I'm worried about either under-quoting and looking unprofessional or over-charging and looking greedy. The company is European if that matters at all.

How much do you all feel would be appropriate / non-presumptive to ask for as a student with high subject-expertise and low consultancy experience? Would something like $50/hr be crazy high or crazy low?


  👤 Jugurtha Accepted Answer ✓
>The most money I've ever earned

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>Would something like $50/hr be crazy high or crazy low?

Charge at least $300/hour. I'd say $500/hour. In France, it's more "jour.homme (JH)" (man.day). Compute your rate.

Set the precedent of someone actually looking at your rate and say "That's acceptable". You don't have much experience so it'll probably take you slightly more than the time you "bill" to actually do the job, but don't let that "delta" get big. Going above and beyond didn't hurt us.

You get more efficient with experience, and streamline your process to getting things done, document templates, your workflow, etc...

Do not think of it as "freelance consultancy", or that you're a student. You have expertise and you're solving a problem. What would happen if someone went on without that expertise? Would it mean a military plane being neutralized?

Here's something you may find useful for later, if you want to do consulting through a consultancy: https://twitter.com/jugurthahadjar/status/131066829330549965...


👤 brtkdotse
1) Please don’t quote an hourly rate. Quote by week or at least by day at set expectations (“I’m available between 9-17”).

2) Unless they’re hiring you as an employee, they’ll expect to deal with you via a company. Get in touch with an accountant ASAP and look into liability insurances.


👤 aosaigh
Another way to approach this is to find the salary for a similar position then either x1.5 or x2.0 it. When working for yourself you have to incorporate expenses (rent, insurance, hardware, services, accountancy etc.). From there work backwards to an hourly rate. One metric is Salary/2000 = Hourly Rate. You can use this to create a daily or weekly rate.

You may need to talk to an accountant. You may need to charge VAT and will almost certainly need to set up as at least a sole trader.


👤 Nextgrid
Look around for rates.

If it's a common role chances are recruiters are looking for people and they will typically quote the budget for it, if so use that. If the rate isn't openly advertised, get in touch with the recruiter and pretend to apply for the position, whatever rate they suggest, add 10-20% (that's their markup) and use that for your rate.

If it's a more specialized position, search for more common roles which require your skills and look at those rates, and potentially go back to the above approach to figure out the rate.


👤 blackcats
In Netherlands €70-€90/hr seems to be the general coding rate. Ask more than €50, French lifestyle and taxes are expensive as here. They want expert? Pay.

👤 new299
50USD/h would not be crazy high, a little on the low side based on what I’ve seen.