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📣 dchuk

Seriously, how do we stop Covid?


The last few weeks have been very disheartening as the disease is spreading more and more rapidly, to the point where any hopes of "getting back to normal" are feeling quite far out of reach.

How the hell do we actually/pragmatically solve this thing? Is a widely accessible vaccine the only option? How long will that take?


  👤 sp332 Accepted Answer ✓
There are countries that have addressed this effectively. Maybe we could follow their lead. https://medium.com/indica/the-overwhelming-racism-of-covid-c...

But something being technically feasible doesn't mean it's politically realistic. https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/10/trump-admins-pandemi...


👤 gt565k
How do we stop COVID? Be educating people to be healthy and conscious of their surroundings.

Physical exercise and proper nutrition prevent most diseases, but no one talks about it. Why? Cause big pharma would rather you be sick and pop pills for the rest of your life.

Make sure you take multi vitamins, eat healthy, are not vitamin d deficient, load up on vitamin C in the winter, exercise, meditate, breathe clean air and 90% of diseases wont touch you.

Keep proper distance, practice good hygiene, eat a balanced healthy diet, exercise.

Hey look! Those alone prevent obesity, heart disease, high blood pressure, high cholesterol. WTF? But what about the pills?


👤 ganoushoreilly
We don't stop it. It's not going away and we have to treat it as such. We can't put that genie back in the bottle so to speak. Because of the western liberal ideals of freedoms Europe and the rest of the west will never be able to enforce a proper true 100% lockdown on the scale of Wuhan.

What we have to do is continue to mitigate risks and evolve medical treatments. We are making great strides in this regard. Many companies are working over time and we have proven treatment methods that help minimize and reduce negative outcomes. Now we need to scale these treatments. What we need most is Time and that's arguably the one thing none of us have excess off.

Wearing masks in public are fine, washing hands diligently are fine. These are good things. Long term though secondary effects of the disease are proving to be just as damaging to the world. Lockdowns aren't the fix and are arguably not likely to be legal.

Both the left and the right have to stop poo pooing advances and yelling at each other with blame. Yes, people aren't wearing masks as they should, thing is that was and will always be the case. We account for that by majority working with the system. There will always be a minority that fights against it and accounting for that is more important.

The #1 thing I think that will help with managing covid, is Civility. The more we respect each other, the easier it is to find common ground and social agreement on best steps to take.

We will get through this as we do everything else. We have to stop over dramatizing things for the sake of political points. No one disputes the harm of this virus, or the deaths it's caused. One death is too much, but we also have to recognize that we have people dying in large amounts because of a lot of issues.

Notably, the second thing that will improve our success in beating this long term, is emphasis on healthy life styles. The fact that I hear almost 0 about health and minimizing comorbidity issues is astounding. Yes, I realize people can't all of a sudden not have co-morbidities, but we can instill these behaviors now with evidence that may help prevent issues the next time something like this transpires.

TLDR: Being more civil with each other and addressing personal health issues will be the biggest impact to collectively reducing risk and improving survivability.


👤 Foober223
We still haven't stamped out the older corona viruses (ie common cold). Those corona's have cycled through the population for so many centuries, everyone still alive has some resistance.

The same will happen with this new corona. A vaccine could make your first exposure to the virus much safer. Social distancing is meant to flatten hospital capacity curves and buy time for vulnerable people to get a vaccine before their first exposure.

Does any government have a goal of permanently ending corona virus? I'm not aware of any. It is with us for the next 5000+ years.


👤 aaccount
I don't think there is any chance to stop it now. Its too wide spread. Even though countries like NZ have done a very good job at lock down, they can't keep those counties permanently closed.

The best option is just to carry on so we don't have bigger problems due to collapsing economies. Although that might be a bit late for some countries.


👤 runawaybottle
Vaccine pretty much. It ruined every business that was operating at the edges, restaurants that were playing it loose financially couldn’t withstand it. It’s all pretty fucked up, and honestly we just have to take the L and wait for this vaccine.

Nothing to fix anymore.


👤 twright
TL;DR with a good chunk of time and maybe packing (nay, rebalancing?) the courts.

In the US, even if a vaccine comes it will take several years to roll out such that we cannot immediately go back to “normal”. Given its current performance, I do not believe the current administration and its party to be capable of effectively distributing a vaccine. I also suspect a modest portion of the population supporting this party will not consent to such a vaccine under any circumstances.

(Warning: political speculation partly driven by election anxiety) “Wait,” you say, “there could be an administration change soon, what if that happens?” Unless the Senate is secured–such that a bill could be passed through reconciliation–the aforementioned party will return to the same diehard obstructionist form as we saw the during the Obama administration (even if many agree with the contents of the bill McConnel would never allow a vote). It will be up to the executive branch to issue executive orders in order to distribute the vaccine. This is not guaranteed to be effective either. Whatever the order is it will immediately be challenged in court only to be struck down as “grossly unconstitutional” thanks in part to the three most junior justices of the Supreme Court, wherein (I suspect) their opinions on executive power apply only to presidents of the party that appointed them.

I would expect similar legal challenges and outcomes even if the senate majority is Democrat. See the Affordable Care Act, wherein the existential legal challenge _National Federation of Independent Business v. Sebelius_ decided that it is constitutional (by the skin of its teeth 5-4 Roberts in the plurality.) Which, by the way, I would not count on it being constitutional after opinions are issued from the upcoming Supreme Court term so the count of uninsured will skyrocket sometime next year, great time (/s) to deliver a vaccine through a for-profit healthcare system. Elections matter.


👤 rawgabbit
Yes a vaccine is the only realistic option. Masks, no more handshakes, and social distancing can help. But you can get COVID simply by breathing in the aerosol left behind by an infected person.

https://www.health.harvard.edu/diseases-and-conditions/preve... “A person infected with coronavirus — even one with no symptoms — may emit aerosols when they talk or breathe. Aerosols are infectious viral particles that can float or drift around in the air for up to three hours. Another person can breathe in these aerosols and become infected with the coronavirus.”


👤 decafninja
Until a vaccine comes into play, I feel the logical thing to do is look at countries that have managed to curb the spread. Taiwan, South Korea, New Zealand, Vietnam, amongst others. IIRC there was a report saying Taiwan has not had a single homegrown case in 200 days.

Granted, every country is different in terms of size, politics, culture, etc.

I don't think you can replicate what Taiwan or South Korea are doing in the USA for example because of. both size and cultural issues. However there are still elements you can take - i.e. wearing masks. Unfortunately even that has become a political/cultural issue.


👤 giardini
dchuk asks >"How the hell do we actually/pragmatically solve this thing? <

By prescribing zinc plus low dose hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin EARLY in serious cases:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24930365

Article Date: 26 October 2020

Article title: "COVID-19 outpatients – early risk-stratified treatment with zinc plus low dose hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin: a retrospective case series study"

FTFA:

>"As of June 2020, diagnosis and treatment of COVID-19 have been almost exclusively studied from an inpatient perspective, including intensive care with mechanical ventilation. Only one study has described characteristics and key health outcomes of COVID-19 diagnosed patients in an outpatient setting [3]. This is surprising as primary care physicians often see COVID-19 patients first. They could play a critical role in early diagnosis, treatment, and management of disease progression and virus spread. This assumption is supported by the established principle in medicine that speed of eradication is linked to the outcome of life-threatening infections [4].

The early clinical phase of COVID-19 has not been the focus of much research so far, even though timing of antiviral treatment seems to be critical [5]. The optimal window for therapeutic intervention would seem to be before the infection spreads from upper to lower respiratory tract and before severe inflammatory reaction ensues [6]. Therefore, diagnosis and treatment of COVID-19 outpatients as early as possible, even based on clinical diagnosis only, may have been an underestimated first step to slow down or even stop the pandemic more effectively. Based on clinical application principles of antiviral therapies, as demonstrated in the case of influenza A [7], antiviral treatments should be used early in the course of infection."<

We're not as helpless as you believe.

Also see

"States Bow to Pressure to Reverse Course on HCQ" (Sep. 9 2020) at

https://yated.com/states-bow-to-pressure-to-reverse-course-o...

and

"Is HCQ banned in your state? (probably not)"(Aug 18 2020) at

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3875427/posts


👤 enchiridion
Two ideas I heard here back in April that I don't see anymore.

1. Massive testing. Test the whole country every week. At least cover those who are out around people a lot.

2. Run an artificial selection campaign to find the least lethal stains and spread those as an ad hoc vaccine.


👤 kleer001
Go underground. Become Morlocks.