Is this legal?
If so, why don’t more US companies do this? I’ve heard that companies with about 20 to 40 employees do this [1].
Edit: this blew up, which is really cool! I want to note that it might be wise to view the replies in this thread as inspiration for your own research and not as legal advice.
[1] The hiring managers told me themselves. And Basecamp even states it publicly on their latest job ad.
P.S. If you're in the US/EU/World education space, checkout my profile :)
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17022563
The bottom line is that it can certainly be done but the legalities may be more than a small company would want to deal with for a one-off hire. Note that there is some paperwork even associated with hiring someone in a state where you don't already have employees in the US--though those tend to be less and can be somewhat outsourced.
If there are a lot of timezones involved, companies may also not want employees who are, say, more than a few timezones away long-term.
Getting the visa and relocating the person from overseas is the hard part.
1. International wire transfers over 10k could get flagged by your bank as suspicious. Then you would need to work out with your bank how to prove that this isn't money laundering.
2. Intellectual Property laws can be hard to enforce across borders. If a contractor takes your source code you may never get any money from them as damages
I know that all of this shouldn't be interpreted as legal advice [1], strictly speaking, but it is hugely helpful that I now have a much more targeted vision on what to think about and to look for.
The reason I'm asking this question is because it's Saturday and I'm in a daydreaming mood. But upon reflection, I realized I'd love to work for a US company as I want to see the difference between US software development and Dutch software development. This is especially the case for silicon valley. Reading HN almost daily since 2015 definitely contributed to that. Based on the upvotes, I don't think I'm the only one.
So I hope I'm planting the seed for some US companies to think about this option more often.
[1] I almost accidentally did interpret this thread as legal advice, which is why I am making this explicit for if others tend to do the same.
(not affiliated, just heard about them)
Plenty of tax treaty case law showing audits do happen to all of MNCs, small companies, and individuals in these matters, with financial and even criminal penalties for your directors in some jurisdictions.
BEPS is also now cracking down on PE avoidance and types of arrangements/facilitators out there.
Sometimes better, and easier, to just declare and manage a PE. Employment services firms don't offer actual legal protection here since doesn't matter if direct or indirect employed.
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We have hundreds of companies with team sizes of 20-40 and they are mostly remote and non-US contractors.
There is the obviously legal, and widely practiced.
There is the obviously illegal, and clearly enforced.
And there is a huge gray area, where people and states just make things up as they go along. Law that crosses national boundaries is particularly exciting in this regard.