HACKER Q&A
📣 alfiedotwtf

How long has Google been censoring YouTube comments critical of China?


I was just alerted to YouTube censoring comments critical of China. I then tested this by commenting on one of my own videos with random hotkeys that I knew would trigger anything of the sort. About 10 seconds later, my test comments were gone.

Edit: I posted the following comment to my video, and this was deleted too. This could not be a spam filtering false positive:

"The world's sanitisation problem could be helped with more recycling of chinese trash, especially in wuhan. The green waste that's turned into compost in tiananmen square is a bonus to sustainability."


  👤 jacknews Accepted Answer ✓
I don't know about China in particular, but I find youtube censorship to be particularly deceitful.

If you make a comment, and it is censored for some reason, perhaps the video owner blocked you or whatever, the comment still shows; TO YOU. When you are logged in, you can see your comment.

But no-one else can see it.

Log out, or logon as someone else, and your comment is simply not there.

I found a similar thing with facebook. If you join a group, and are then banned for some reason (I'm not sure the exact mechanism), you can no longer see the group - it's as though it doesn't exist; it doesn't show in searches, etc. But log out, or logon as someone else, and there it is.

This 'customized view of reality' seems to me much more dangerous than simple censorship.


👤 mcfly1985
Watching people embrace censorship is the most depressing thing I’ve ever witnessed.

👤 zorked
Try to post some grammatically incoherent comment and include the words "penis", "enlargement", and "pills". Let us know how it went.

This is probably just an anti-spam measure. There are many anti-china bots out there, so posting off-topic bot-like comments will get you removed.

What happened to Occam's razor?


👤 missosoup
Came across this recently when posting on someone else's video, the comment wasn't even critical of China but I can see how a pair of words in sequence might have come off that way. Tested on a private video of my own just now, comment gone within seconds.

👤 eastendguy
Link with more details that I found (I am not sure if this is the original post about this):

https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/comments/glr2h4/youtube_go...

I really hope that is just some stupid bug and not on purpose. The trigger keywords seem pretty harmless to me.


👤 aboringusername
Personally, I feel the YouTube comment section is vastly better than it used to be in the early days of the site. I watched a music video by an artist and the comment section surfaced a comment that the artist had died last year, a piece of information that was actually useful, rather than "FIRST!" or whatever tripe I used to see.

It's not perfect, but progress has been made here, more often than not an overly aggressive moderation that yields better more informative comments is better, even at the risk of the legitimate ones being removed.


👤 newyankee
All of the social media platforms have become hotbeds for information warfare. From country based subreddits (or any subreddit with some political content) to Youtube banning videos that are mass reported, it is crazy. Right now in India a popular youtuber had his video deleted. It was apparently on track to becoming the most liked non music video on the platform.

👤 keiferski
The fact that it may be an automatic filter is sort of missing the point, IMO. An irrational, mechanical Kafkesque dystopia is still a dystopia. Censorship doesn't need to be obvious and straightforward, like 1984.

👤 jeroenhd
I'm more intended to think that YouTube is trying to prevent the leaking shit stain that is the youtube comment section from growing even further.

There's some nice channels I see, but anything discussing something even remotely political (which, these days, includes mobile networks, solar panels and other categories that have fallen victim to conspiracy nuts) are full of trolls or shit people in general. Some comment threads incite violence against Jews, others violence against Muslims, and then there's the white supremacists inciting violence against everybody.

Putting comments trolling any Chinese viewers below anything that covers China is something that's taken off lately, either because of racism or because of increased activism in Hong Kong.

Having everybody be free to say anything had led the YouTube comments to be generally regarded as a place or toxicity and horror for many people. YouTube trying to brush up their image after Elsagate and other such PR disasters only makes sense, and their comment section is the first I'd personally clean up. I don't know how you'd do that without dancing on the dangerous line between (American) expectations of complete freedom of speech and getting out the nutjobs, but someone over at Google seems to be trying to and probably uses this new-fangled machine learning thing to do it because it doesn't involve paying people to keep the stream of verbal manure in check.

There's also the danger to your platform that comes with angering Chinese nationalists. When Notepad++ added a message to stand up to the Chinese concentration camps, its Github got completely flooded by angry Chinese people and trolls from both sides. Some of the people calling the author "filthy dog" and other expletives were maintainers of seemingly commonly-used libraries and projects. Criticising the worst of China seems to have the same effect as posting a video of a burning American flag. I doubt many platform owners would like their platform to host these social garbage fires.

All of that culminates into topics where trolling often occurs being removed or shadow banned. Posts on HN get shadowbanned as well, usually after manual flagging, but I do have doubts about the absence of troll farms controlling the narrative here.

As far as I know, YouTube has always had certain words being blacklisted, usually swears and such. This system can also be used by channel owners to maintain their comment section. I can only imagine when Google decided to add material criticising China, but I'd expect it would have started when the first Hong Kong protests were met with violence.


👤 thrlllllll
Can confirm works on my own videos, even if they are unlisted. My own video, 0 views, 0 comments.

共匪, 五毛党, or 五毛

These are all instantly deleted, roughly 10-20s


👤 _iyig
Moderators, why was this post removed from the front page (and the Ask HN front page)? It is newer and has more upvotes than many other submissions. Are questions like the OP's still allowed on HN?

👤 quantummkv
What is really sad is that it is neither new or unexpected. People have been warning about exactly this for years. We have seen this happen before. Yet I see a lot of people throwing around Occam's razor and trying to convince themselves that this is not happening in this very thread.

👤 jpxw
https://translate.google.com:

共匪 => “Gangster”

Interesting.


👤 tossAfterUsing
It wouldn't be such a problem to have YouTube colluding with Chinese censors if we didn't depend so much on YouTube to disseminate information.

👤 yorwba
"random hotkeys that I knew would trigger anything of the sort" Just single keywords? And which ones? The stories I've seen were about people posting just 共匪, and honestly I'm not too bothered if comments that are just name-calling get deleted. If actual well-written criticism disappears, that would be another matter.

👤 throwaway_pdp09
This submission was flagged. I just upvoted it, the flag disappeared instantly. Maybe that's the answer?

👤 alfiedotwtf
And now this post has been removed from the Ask HN front page too...

👤 bootloop
What video did you comment on? Your own? The owner/uploader can remove comments too so it might not have been YT.

Edit: As comments pointed out, I clearly didn't read the post properly, OP already stated it was his own video.


👤 alfiedotwtf
... and this post has now disappeared from the front page? It was #13 with 77 upvotes.

👤 ladyanita22
What is going on with Google lately? They're really going downhill

👤 EmilioMartinez
Obviously automated, so this is irrelevant and besides the point (in this case).

But it strikes me as odd that that comment sounds so innocent to you. There's an ongoing multi-sided arms race between AI-assisted spam filters, censorship, trolls, socio-political movements, scammers, etc. The result being that many groups find new ways of communicating and circumventing filters.

So, if I randomly came across your uncanny and unnatural post in the current context, it would read to me as if you were crypto-advocating for chinese genocide to help resolve world overpopulation, calling the Tiananmen massacre a net positive for mankind.

Seriously, read it carefully.


👤 jtdev
I wonder if YT deletes comments or content critical of the U.S.? Based on some of the comments here, only China is being shielded from criticism...