A couple of recruiters posed the "5 years" question to me over the past week. In earlier days I would have signaled my ambition with "general manager with P&L responsibility" or some similar sentiment.
Well, the years have passed. I've cycled through a series of, well frankly, shitty tech jobs. I'm relatively close to FIRE status but forge ahead whenever there's an opportunity to learn a new skill, or to be around people that I like & trust. Hopefully both.
My question is, why not answer the 5Y this way: "As the technical master of Counterpoints welcomed.
Given your preferences and job history, don't say that you want to be a manager, because interviewers will worry that you don't want to do hands-on work. (Of course, other candidates with a clear management path can talk about that.)
Showing respect to the technical ladder will get you bonus points, because executives really want employees to see it as a serious and equivalent alternative to the managerial ladder.
In crux, my answer is that I couldn't have answered that question in a meaningful way 5 years ago, so I've learned to express that I don't expect myself to have an answer based on my experience.
I have, however, learned some characteristics of where I hope to be -- the problems must be interesting and the people thoughtful. New ideas excite me, so I'd expect there would be some component of that as well. I'm only 26, so I suppose I'm living in a brackish estuary of naiveness and perspective. I wrote an essay when trying to get into one of those fancy "Top ranked" colleges at 18 -- the prompt asked, in short, "What is between living and dreaming?" -- I said "pursuit", and I would still say so.
I've never asked that question of a candidate because I find it insipid and believe it would be a turn off to cool people. It makes the interviewer seem like a corporate stooge, and may put the interviewee into a bullshit corporate appeasement mode. I think this is the only correct assessment of that question. A skilled behavioral interviewer would never use such a stupid question, IMHO.
I've never been asked that question. I suppose I would answer with bullshit if I really still wanted the job. As for the actual true answer? I have no freaking idea. It depends on what happens, what opportunities arise, and what obstacles. I fully expect corporate drones would not appreciate such an answer, so bullshit it is.
The question is largely useless. The opportunities available always change and circumstances always change.
5 years ago, I was applying to universities hoping to work in oil and gas. I switched after first year as I was never keen on chemical engineering and tech had proven that it was around for the long haul (I learned to program when I was 13, so I had the passion but just wasn't convinced that it wasn't another 2000).
3 years ago I would never have thought about working in government, but when I graduated last year, I read the recession warnings and chose it over the startups. I am happy I made that choice right now as my other incidental offer at the time has since had layoffs.
If you asked me in February of 2017 what I would be doing that summer, I would have said trip to Europe. In March of 2017, I got an extremely cool innovation internship and still have never been to Europe.
Problem is, if I said any of that in an interview, I would seem like a dilettante and/or an opportunist.
As a hiring manager, personally if I ask a question like this I am genuinely just interested in figuring out what your priorities are and getting to know you. What motivates you, how do you approach your work, and what do you view as your strengths? Depending on the existing makeup of the team, I may be looking for different things at different times in terms of who would be the best fit.
But I definitely don't want a team entirely composed of people who are all unhappy in their current role and all looking for a promotion. Yes, maybe they'll all work hard but it can easily backfire too. Maybe it will tend towards a hyper competitive environment with a lot of big egos and interpersonal conflicts. Or maybe people will start checking out or leaving the company if they don't feel challenged in their roles or don't feel that they have the impact they want.
It's true that you also don't want to seem lazy. Don't say something like "I'm just looking to clock in and collect a paycheck". But as long as you seem interested in the company and in doing solid work, you really don't need to have ambitions of becoming a manager or beyond.
When I was younger, my previous answer was "I don't know", and I asked what they have typically seen too. It's also okay not to know what you want to do in five years, and ask for help and/or mentoring. When I just got out of college, the very last thing I wanted to do was go back to school. But I was also fortunate to have people help find what motivates me, and how to grow in my career.
I say that to say, depending on where you are, your boss is asking you because they geniunely want to help you end up being where you want to be in five years. We also have people who are happy being bench level engineers, so we don't groom them to learn management, and we also have some that want to be technical managers, so we put them in roles so they can learn.
By answering with the truth, you ensure that both you and the recruiter (or maybe an executive of a candidate company) are on the same page and you can safely proceed with spending both of your next 5y time together.
Now, whether you are confident enough about your answer or you think that you don't know, that's acceptable too. Knowing means that you found your purpose and you are actively going towards it.
For me, that was the case from a very early age (literally, I was 12 when I wrote my first app and decided that that was what I wanted to do for the rest of my life) up until my 30th birthday. The answer was this exact phrase: "I want to become a great software engineer that can work for a great company and build great things together. Part of that is the money because I know it's a higly-paid job. The other part is that I'm very passionate about it."
After my 30th birthday though, things changed. It's been two years now and while I succeeded in my 5y goal, now I don't really know where I'm heading to. I don't know where I want to be in 5y. I don't stress it though.
It all comes down to purpose I think. And short-term goals that serve that purpose.
To be fair most interview questions like this I answer with something moderatly controversially engaging without being offensive. I've gotten every job I've applied to except for one and at the end of that interview I was like "what was wrong with me?"
It also is NOT what most of the companies want to hear. Giving that answer will close the door on a lot of job opportunities.
It is up to you to decide if you want to filter out those companies or not.
works for: - startups (i seek to play a big role in making you guys a smash hit) - enterprises (i made everything so much better to the point that it's safe for me to take an extended vacation) - yourself! (i have accomplished something big and meaningful and hopefully profitable and i feel that i will have earned a break in 5 years)
I would say if you want the best fit you should answer earnestly.
I have no firm direction in which I want to go. In fact I don't even see anything exciting in this industry on the horizon.
The question sounded out-of-context/bizarre to me, and in addition I didn't liked the company, so I wrote:
"In 5 years I'll become the CEO of this company and will fire you all" ;)
I have asked almost all the common questions at some point, but searching through my overly detailed notes, I never asked this one.
My rather dismal view is Recruiters are primarily looking first for positive keyword matches in the resume, then for negative interview signals to justify adding you to the discard pile.
Try asking r/recruiting?
https://www.askamanager.org/2013/04/how-to-answer-where-do-y...
"Not being a COVID-19 statistic!"
Also trying to figure out if getting out of the US is a good idea.
"Hum, not right now. We are a flat organization and we want to stay like this for the coming years."
Got it. Thank you.
Especially if they combine that with an earlier expression of my moving on from companies a lot.
Never fails.
Don't say "doing your wife", don't say "doing your wife"
"Doing your... son?"
Sorry for the cheap laugh. I really needed it right now. Maybe some other people do as well.
What's the point of this question? I think it is: do you have an image of yourself or an archetypal vision you are striving to achieve? It is a question that is mainly asking you about commitment, the only controllable factor in business, so any answer that highlights this (such as the OP) are great.