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What are you reading to make sense of the economy?


With so much happening so suddenly, what are you reading to make sense of the Economy and markets.


  👤 DanielBMarkham Accepted Answer ✓
Making sense in what fashion, to what end? Investment opportunities? Proposed public policy changes? Where to look for a job?

To a large degree the economy is unknowable. That's why you can get two economists in a room and receive seven opinions. Don't get me wrong; there's good value there. It's just that economics is an odd mix of philosophy and math. On my more cranky days I call it astrology for people who know calculus.

If the economy were knowable to the degree that some economists claim to know it, they'd all be billionaires. So my advice is to scope down your question to something a bit more workable.


👤 sambarina
"All" you have to do is watch "How the economic machine works (in 30 minutes)" by Ray Dalio: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHe0bXAIuk0

Read his insights and watch his interviews. That's a good basic start. Everything more then that: Nobody really knows.

I have read countless of books, but one thing you have to know:

It is a market - period. Something has value just because another person wants to buy it (at a given price). That's basically all there is. If you think that some asset is worth more in 10 years then it is now - buy it.

The "markets" go heavily up and down currently. That's just because different people price in the current health crisis in different ways.


👤 vmurthy
It helps to know what "making sense" means to you? If it means "Will my job be safe for the next 12 months", the reading will be different.

If it means "What 10-15 stocks are poised to give me great returns in the next 5 years", the reading will be different (this would be sector reports, 10-Ks etc)

If it means "how can I ensure that another economic shock won't destroy my wealth or plans for FIRE", the reading will be different.

FWIW, I am finishing up a book called "Contagion" [0] (not the fiction one ) and should start reading "Pale Rider" [1] about the 1918 pandemic. I've found that history offers guidance and opens your mind to possibilities thus offering solace.

[0] https://www.amazon.in/Rules-Contagion-Outbreaks-Infectious-D...

[1] https://www.amazon.in/Pale-Rider-Spanish-Changed-World-ebook...


👤 dacohenii
Not reading per se, but I've listened to Marketplace podcast [0] almost daily for years at this point, and I find it invaluable for economic news and interpretation -- especially now.

Also recommend Marketplace's podcast Make Me Smart [1], which is an informal deep dive on a single subject. It's nominally a weekly podcast, but they're now releasing a 10-minute daily version.

Finally, NPR's Planet Money [2] and their daily podcast The Indicator [3] are entertaining and education as well.

[0] https://www.marketplace.org/ [1] https://www.marketplace.org/shows/make-me-smart-with-kai-and... [2] https://www.npr.org/podcasts/510289/planet-money/ [3] https://www.npr.org/podcasts/510325/the-indicator-from-plane...


👤 passer_byer
Consider a subscription to the British newspaper The Economist. It began publication in 1848 in protest against the British corn laws. The writing is superlative written with a rather sly sense of humor.

In particular, they collect and graph enormous amounts of data to augment their articles. It's much better than random posts found on the internet.


👤 jotakami
Where to begin? I’ve been reading about economics for about 15 years, and I have to say that this crisis has brought a level of clarity about certain economic truths that I never would have seen otherwise.

First: accounting. I got an MBA five years ago and accounting was my favorite subject because it is behind everything that a business does. Accounting is the instrumentation that allows humans to organize their activity across tremendous scale and complexity and still be confident that they are producing value (making a profit). In the modern economy, accounting is everything. Try reading Jerome Levy’s “Where Profits Come From” to check your accounting chops: https://www.levyforecast.com/assets/Profits.pdf


👤 yaa_minu
I'm surprised no one has mentioned Basic Economics[1] by Thomas Sowell.

It's a fairly detailed book but it's worth the time. If you're too busy to read a whole book, you might want to take a look at "Economics in One Lesson" [2] by Herny Hazlitt.

The foundation for economic education[3] has some great articles too about economics and public choice.

[1]https://www.amazon.com/Basic-Economics-Thomas-Sowel/dp/04650... [2] https://fee.org/media/14946/economicsinonelesson.pdf [3] https://fee.org


👤 chrisco255
Real Vision Finance by Raoul Pal and others. They are a subscription based macro-finance and economic analysis platform with some of the highest quality interviews I've ever seen on this subject. Raoul and his team are great synthesizers and do a great job at pulling in people from different disciplines and specialties. They release daily updates and have an interview catalog going back several years. They have many free videos on their YouTube channel but I pay for the subscription and it's been well worth it. Check out their YouTube channel:

https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCBH5VZE_Y4F3CMcPIzPEB5A


👤 oDot
The only school that has any explanation for this is the Austrian School of Economics. Their theory of the business cycle is the reason they successfully predict every crisis to the tee (except for timing, no one can do that), while other economists are just blown away in surprise that it even happened.

Mises and Hayek wrote big and hard to read books about it, but two that explain this to the layman are "Meltdown" by Tom Woods[0] and "How An Economy Grows And Why It Crashes" by Peter Schiff[1]. The first is an explanation using the 2008 crisis, and the second is a very amusing yet educating economy lesson told as a kids' story.

Another book that can help grasp this, although I wouldn't read it first, is "The Forgotten Depression: 1921: The Crash That Cured Itself" by James Grant.

If you're interested in the actual business cycle theory, Tom Woods explained it briefly while promoting Meltdown. Explanation starts 14:03:

https://youtu.be/NBwJm68FkMc?t=844

[0] https://www.amazon.com/Meltdown-Economy-Tanked-Government-Ba...

[1] https://www.amazon.com/How-Economy-Grows-Why-Crashes/dp/B004...


👤 myth_buster
Behavioral Economics - Thaler Kahneman Tversky et Al.

If you are referencing to the fallout from covid, it's essentially the effect of global commerce coming to screeching halt.

As CEO of GS said, no one has a clue on what's going to happen in Q2 and beyond, and if they say they do, they are BS'g.

It's a Black swan event. Most forecasting models are ineffective. Whether it would be a V, U, L recession is anyone's guess. As it all depends on how politicians react, ie. How late they are to lockdown and how long they will be in that state. Which perhaps is outside the realm of traditional economics. Hence my suggestion.


👤 ekianjo
Thomas Sowell - he has many great books about economical principles - "Basic Economics" itself is extremely educational, and is regularly updated with examples of recent History.

👤 Tangokat
The markets and the economy move so fast now I prefer content which updates very regularly. A lot of material is simply outdated.

Real vision[0] has some really good content. It's not super easily digestable for someone not in professional finance but I think finance is just too complicated to simplify and not lose a lot of nuance. I'm trying to learn and have to look up a lot of stuff but it has been fun. I think they have 1 month trial for $1. I recommend Raoul Pal's recent video "The Unfolding" as a starting point.

I also think Macro Voices[1] podcasts are very solid. Again not very easy content but experts in various fields help to make sense of the bigger picture. You can choose a bit depending on what you're interested in (gold, bitcoin, bonds etc).

It's worth noting that NOBODY knows what is really going to happen, all you can do is try to get informed opinions and set probabilities. If you're looking for investment advice trying to time the market or sectors, I would stop looking. The uncertainty does not favour amateurs in my opinion.

[0]https://www.realvision.com/tv/home

[1]https://www.macrovoices.com/


👤 DyslexicAtheist
Nassim N. Taleb, author of BlackSwan books. His thinking about risk/probability is timeless. Frequently publishes links to his papers and debunks the BS-peddlers on his twitter: https://twitter.com/nntaleb

👤 inv13
After reading through the comments, I'd like to approach from a different angle.

Summary: you better of learning more about human behavior, and how we operate on a daily basis then reading every book on economy.

When I heard in 2008 as a kid, that the world is in a financial crisis because the investors are scared, I had no idea what is going in. I was like, those people are grown man, how come they fear something they do all the time? And why does investors mood correlates to financials? How can a grown man have a fear of investing as an investor, it was odd at a time for me. Then I went ahead and played outside like nothing is happening.

I've read a lot of books just about everything, like on every topics i could get my hands on. Some of em are: Thinking, Fast and Slow, The power of habbit, Deep Simplicity, Intelligent Investor and much more, not exclusively from hackernewsbooks.com.[0]

I always arrived at the conclusion of the market is eventually run by people(no shit). At some point in time people come up with the idea of having a stock exchange or whatever you want to call it. Without people it would be non-functional, non-existent. So if you want to know about the working of market, you better of reading about humans, human mind. What drives us, why we do things, fears, and so much more. And the best thing about this is that you can see for yourself, it feels I am doing a research, but on myself. There is not a single silver bullet in this topics of course, but one book I most often hear is Thinking, Fast and Slow, mentioned before, its really worth to read it!

Sometimes its driven by fear, like right now. In 2008 it was greed (yeah its usually not just one thing, but you get the idea). So at the why and how, I usually end up with human behavior. And since you cant determine what someone is going to do, feel or think, you cant really tell what is going to happened next, or in the future. But after reading more and more about humans, it gets a little bit clearer as you read more books and connect the dots. And you are going to experience everything for yourself. You can be your own research subject. The past couple of years I've been doing that and I really enjoying it.

[0]: https://hackernewsbooks.com/book/thinking-fast-and-slow/8e66...


👤 RobertoG
We will never agree in what makes sense explaining economy because it's a political question. The first thing to do, in my opinion, is to accept that.

For me, personally, after trying to make sense for a while using the mainstream narrative, the only thing that worked was Modern Monetary Theory. Their explanation of the banking system is based in how it really works (mainstream textbooks don't), the sectoral balances framework (1) gives you a tool to think in terms of aggregate demand and their theory explain things that mainstream have problems with (like public debt ratios and inflation and interest rates relationships). There is a textbook available(2).

1.- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sectoral_balances 2.- http://bilbo.economicoutlook.net/blog/?page_id=33139


👤 eel
I'm keeping an eye on initial jobless claims and BLS unemployment statistics. I'm concerned that it's a cascading effort as fewer workers means less spending means less earnings means fewer workers and the cycle continues. Obviously the government has levers to try to ease the pain (lower interest rates, pass stimulus bills), but it's not yet clear how sufficient these levers will be.

👤 calahad
Capital and Ideology - Piketty

very approachable for an intimidatingly huge book


👤 Zenst
You will see mentalities lean more towards a cell based distrubution system over a global one and by that, production spread more with many countries waking up to being dependant upon others and looking at it as if they are at war with a country that makes all the guns in the world style thinking will play out politicaly more.

So a shift away form outsourcing, at least outsourcing out of country in full as has been the case in many area's of production alone.

Equally, resource/asset stripping may well be rife in the fallout with the ability to buy up companies cheaper and be instances in which those value of assets changing quicker than the company values them. They may own some unused warehouses that on the books been almost written off and yet perfect venue for manufacturing boom.

But so many things so high up in the air, you can never see a true picture of tomorrow, but can get some idea's and those ideas will change and flesh out in the long-run. But it's the overall trends and psychology is probably as useful a skill in predicting the markets than maths in today's times. Which kinda shows how up in the air everything is.

Only thing for sure, soon as one company comes up with a cure, you will see a jump in that companies share price, even if they was to do it all for free.


👤 tareqak
I’ve only read the odd HN posts and AP news articles. That being said, there might be interesting things on these places that were part of an article about how more and more people were resorting to getting financial advice from online sources.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Frugal/

https://www.reddit.com/r/personalfinance/

https://www.reddit.com/r/financialindependence/

https://www.reddit.com/r/investing/

https://www.reddit.com/r/stocks/

Oh, this was the article https://qz.com/1707479/reddit-has-become-a-guide-to-personal... (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22478854).

Then there are the recent HN posts to Lyn Alden’s work: https://news.ycombinator.com/from?site=lynalden.com .



👤 SigmundA
Not having much luck myself, I don't think anyone knows how to make sense of it. Its either going to be worse than the great depression or no big deal.

Have been scanning HN a lot for anything related to the economy and found little except for this post.


👤 scorecard
A big shout out for "Good Economics for Hard Times", by two MIT profs who recently won the Nobel Prize in Economics. Why did two academic Economists who specialize in the developing world write a book for the general public? From the book's preface: "We got tired of watching at a distance while the public conversation about core economic issues - immigration, trade, growth, inequality, or the environment - goes more and more out of kilter. ... Also ... as we thought about it, we realized the problems facing the rich countries in the world were actually eerily familiar to those we are used to studying in the developing world - people left behind by development, ballooning inequality, lack of faith in government, fractured societies and polity, and so on."

👤 dudeinjapan
Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas: A Savage Journey to the Heart of the American Dream by Hunter S. Thompson

👤 mempko
This website from Ray Dalio is excellent. https://economicprinciples.org/

Read Debt the first 5000 years from David Graeber.

Read Money in the Modern Economy from the Bank of England. https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.bankofengland.co.uk...

Why these? You have to understand money and credit. Economics ignores money and credit which would be like physics ignoring atoms and gravity.


👤 asar
I personally really like The Economist to get a good sense of what's going on globally.

👤 vincentmarle
I’ve studied Economics. It took me a while to realize that it’s far from a deterministic science despite all the fancy math and models (my first clue should have been that it’s in the department of “Social Sciences”, doh!). I wish more of my time was spent learning chaos theory, probability, and systems thinking, rather than solving Lagrange multipliers by hand. I have learned a lot more from reading Nassim Taleb’s books than I ever did in those years in college. So if you want to make sense of the economy, start with learning how much of it doesn’t make sense. Start with Nassim Taleb’s books (any book of The Incerto will suffice).

👤 elamje
The Fed gets a lot of hate, and heck, even economists get a lot of hate, but a good place to start learning about macroeconomics is by understanding what the Fed is doing and why they are doing it. The Age of Turbulence and the Courage to Act are autobiographies written by two former Fed Chairmen, which is the highest rank in the Fed. Greenspan and Bernanke likely get negative publicity, but they wrote books for the layman to understand their decisions. The Courage to Act goes into detail about what Bernanke and co did during the Great Recession and at least gives you context for the decisions which can help you determine if what they did was for “Wall Street”, “Main Street” or everyone.

You’ll likely be surprised at what facilities are at the disposal of this pseudo public institution, and it’s certainly interesting. The Fed collects inordinate amounts of data from each of its branches, and in times of crisis, as the books elaborate on, it seems they mostly go off the cuff with custom solutions to large scale solutions. Anyways, it helped me understand the US economy better. Greenspan’s book has more info on global policies.


👤 lootsauce
Best discussions on the economy I have found are on Macrovoices[0] podcast and Realvison[1] TV Both are macro focused and take as a given the audience is trying to make money or at least preserve assets. It's been an amazing few years listening to all the interviews and working over the ideas in my own head then seeing things play out in the markets and economy.

[0] https://www.macrovoices.com/ [1] https://www.realvision.com/


👤 fallingfrog
Debt: the first 5000 years by David Graeber. It’s a fantastic piece that takes a step back from the present moment and asks how the economic debt system developed and how other people in other times have done things.

👤 themantra514
What were the ideologies that shaped the economic systems in which we live you ask? Welp do I have a book for you, friend:

Capital and Ideology by by Thomas Piketty

Spoiler alert Since way back inequality was baked-in as a featue.


👤 PKop
These twitter accounts:

https://twitter.com/LukeGromen

https://twitter.com/LynAldenContact

https://twitter.com/darenpa72

blog:

https://www.lynalden.com/

Common thread is topics around currency dynamics, and US Dollar reserve currency affecting..many things: trade, markets, geopolitics.


👤 skanderbm
I would go through these three videos : - Ray Dalio for one view https://youtu.be/PHe0bXAIuk0 - Yanis Varoufakis for another https://youtu.be/zi-dXc0bKUM - Charles Mackay for an ancient, wise and entertaining read : https://youtu.be/FxgRbnh2ouE

👤 pHde
https://voxeu.org/ for "research-based policy analysis and commentary from leading economists".

👤 cl42
This is a bit of a self-promotional piece, but I put together a simple website that extracts sentences related to COVID-19 and economics/finance news: https://chimerais.com/covid19

I try to write a blog post once or twice a week as well, but this is more for myself -- just to actually force myself to synthesize everything going on. Happy to share if anyone is interested.


👤 rojeee
Perry Mehrling - The Money View. He has a course on coursera [1]. It’s the best explanation I’ve seen of how the economy works. It’s a bank centric view and focuses on balance sheets for analysis. Highly recommend it.

[1] https://www.coursera.org/lecture/money-banking/a-money-view-...


👤 vinceguidry
Wikipedia. Just yesterday I was explaining my layman's understanding of econ, namely that money itself is zero-sum, so the prices of goods and services float on the free market according to how much people are willing to pay for them.

Central banks inject money into the economy, inflating the economy, reducing costs across the board. This acts as a wealth transfer from wealth holders to wealth producers, by that I mean businesses.

Normal inflation happens in a healthy economy, in an unhealthy one like this one, they dust off the lever known as QE. In a QE environment, the central bank injects money directly into the economy by buying up government bonds and other financial instruments.

This coupled with fractional reserve banking means that the banks can make a whole lot more loans, flooding the system with liquidity so that money can start moving again.

I had implied that QE increases the money supply, and so was corrected and told that it was actually the money base that was increased. On to Wikipedia I went to upgrade my knowledge.

There I found out that the concept of money base is referring specifically to the amount of money banks can lend on using fractional reserve banking. So while nominally it's referring to the amount of hard currency in circulation, that 'in circulation' part is key, it's not just the amount of 'real' money out there.

Economics shouldn't be mysterious, one's first stop should be Wikipedia to understand the boring concepts. If you want to know how it got that way, the Wikipedia articles on the history of the banking system are pretty good.

It's dry, boring stuff. But you need to know it if you want to understand how the world works.


👤 shanev
Khan Academy’s economics and finance videos are excellent for learning the fundamentals.

Ray Dalio’s talks on YouTube, and his most recent TED talk are great for context around economic downturns.

Real Vision and Anthony Pompliano’s podcast are good for deep dives into what’s going on with a bit of an alternative take.


👤 rjtavares
Some podcast recommendations:

-Freakonomics (https://freakonomics.com/) has been making some good episodes about different aspects of the current crisis. The latest episode is about the food supply market, the one before is about the $2 trillion aid package.

-Planet Money (https://www.npr.org/sections/money/), which was created in 2008 to help make sense of the finantial crisis, is obviously focused on the crisis. Expect 20-30 minute episodes about economic topics in the news (some of the latest episodes include "The Big Small Business Rescue" and "The Economics Of Hospital Beds")


👤 DennisP
Ray Dalio. Start with his articles on LinkedIn. He has a recent book if you really want to dig in.

Dalio runs the world's largest hedge fund and it's entirely focused on predicting what the macroeconomy will do, based on studying the last thousand years or so of economic history.


👤 brainpool
Definitely Keynes. Much of the fundamentals hasn’t made much sense earlier, but it does now.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Maynard_Keynes


👤 blackvelvet
There's an excellent graphic novel (Economix) which gives a good broad overview of "the economy". It's very accessible.

https://economixcomix.com/


👤 stackzero
I'm interested in pointers on this in general, not just wrt the current climate.

👤 tigerlily
FWIW, if you're in New Zealand you can follow economic news updates from www.interest.co.nz.

It's an impressive aggregation of data and journalism. But boy could their site do with some improvement... Could be some work in it?

There's a comments section under every article, and a motley community of dedicated "common 'taters". Plenty of workers, business owners, property darklords, doomers, prospective first home buyers, trolls, and even a few wise farmers. I find it helpful to guage the vibe of what is happening on the ground. Deep down, I think what's really needed is a forum.


👤 jcroll

👤 tmaly
I have really enjoyed simple economics texts.

I highly recommend Economics in One Lesson by Henry Hazlitt. It is a very approachable book that can be read in one sitting.

It illustrates the seen and unseen effects of action from Frédéric Bastiat.


👤 econcon
I read many books and came to realization that I don't understand how economy around me is going to turnout. Yes, I know few things about economy but whatever I know has no predictive power.

So I kept it aside, I bought a piece of land and now I setup hydro and solar pvs, to generate my own power.

I am growing my own food (mostly potatoes, tomatoes, beans, raising few hens for eggs) and I've shelter, that's pretty much all I need.

So now I don't care about economy going down or smth, yes I might lose money which is in economy but it isn't going to affect my livelihood.


👤 DrNuke
You may want to have a look at five world-leading, freely available general references (from World Bank, International Monetary Fund, Merryll Lynch, United Nations and Deutsche Bank... look for their latest updates following this crisis), which I used as an intro for my recent booklet about Economy https://www.tenproblems.com/2020/02/24/ten-problems-for-econ...

👤 wernst
Many are plugging books here, so I will plug: The Money Problem by Morgan Ricks

It provides a solid overview of different views of what is money, what is banking, and in what ways does the financial system impact the real economy? - These are all contested points in economics.

He goes on to lay out a different design to a monetary system, that he believes resolves the main fragility in our current system - panics on short term debt. It's a good read for someone who enjoys system design as much as they do financial/monetary economics.


👤 sauwan
A very interesting one that's helped me understand a lot right now is Goliath by Matt Stoller. He frames todays economy in a similar light as the 1920s. Very compelling and interesting.

👤 mrleinad
Living in Argentina, the political landscape has far more impact on the economy than in most other countries.

What I read here are:

- Newspaper titles (only read the content if something is really interesting)

- Twitter, following a few key people, both with a political and economical background

- Discuss with friends about economy topics

I know there's much noise in all that, but same as with politics, I don't think you'll be able to fully make sense of the economy unless you dive deep into it for many years, and even then you'll only get a partial view on many things.


👤 rocco337
Capital - Piketty

👤 yodsanklai
For general principles, I recommend

https://www.amazon.com/Principles-Economics-7th-Gregory-Mank...

I started with vulgarisation but it didn't lead me very far. This is a reference textbook used by economics students around the world. It's surprisingly entertaining and teaches you the basic concepts of macro and micro economics.


👤 activatedgeek
I have been reading A Farewell to Alms - Brief History of Economics [1]. Largely answers questions around why Industrial revolution happened when it did despite all the institutions existing well before that.

[1] https://www.amazon.com/Farewell-Alms-Economic-History-Prince...


👤 seymore_12
Right now I enjoy reading The Coming Plague https://www.amazon.com/Coming-Plague-Emerging-Diseases-Balan... Written 1995, but incredibly actual. Shows that most of epidemics are function of political will and economy and vice versa.

👤 snow_mac
I'm reading absolutely nothing. I'm staying away from the markets and my investment accounts. Right now we're down from the trump bump; atleast last week we were. My 401k and college fund (index fund) for my kid are all in the shitter.

Therefore, my best advice for you is to hoard cash (3-12 months expenses), cut expenses and try not to freak the fuck out right now


👤 stopachka
Three things:

1. Economics in one Lessons. One of the most powerful books I've read on the economy. Will help you rethink and see deeper 2. Dao of Capital. Book by Mark Spitznagel -- goes into tail risk hedging, and his counter-intuitive investment thesis. He made 4000% over Covid 3. Dalio's essays -- from "The changing world order" to "Debt Crises"


👤 Jedd
John Ralston Saul's The Collapse of Globalism.

Published ~2005, it (arguably) makes sense of the previous several decades of western economics.

https://www.johnralstonsaul.com/non-fiction-books/the-collap...


👤 axegon_
Currently nothing, ran out of books to read and amazon is taking forever to ship them, despite the hefty shipping fee I paid(currently two weeks from Austria to Bulgaria which is just over 1000 km away)... Rant aside, all of Nassim Nicholas Taleb's books are a very good choice for anyone that hasn't read them.

👤 m0llusk
Start with some basic reading such as Mandelbrot's Misbehavior of Markets and Taleb's books, then move on to articles and recent video interviews with Nouriel Roubini, Raoul Pal, and Neil Howe, and finally be sure to take in some modern thinking from the likes of Venkatesh Rao at RibbonFarm.

👤 aazaa
Everything Lyn Alden has written:

https://www.lynalden.com


👤 Kaibeezy
The Normal Economy Is Never Coming Back - https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/04/09/unemployment-coronaviru...

👤 ckrusk
I really enjoy reading Matt Levine on Bloomberg. https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/authors/ARbTQlRLRjE/matthe...

👤 scorecard
The Economy, a free, open access textbook crowdsourced from Econ professors all over the world, along with the Core Covid-19 collection of teaching materials:

https://www.core-econ.org/


👤 neilwilson
Macroeconomics by Bill Mitchell (https://amzn.to/2XyoTrU)

The go to text book to understand the mechanisms and mechanics behind Modern Money Theory.



👤 nickysielicki

👤 larrydag
For US economy I like to track the FRED metrics. They have good visualization charts

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/categories


👤 thorwasdfasdf
RealVision - https://www.realvision.com/

not in any way affiliated with them, i just find their content sophisticated and interesting.


👤 econbooks
Ha-Joon Chang's works

Bad Samaritans: The Myth of Free Trade and the Secret History of Capitalism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_Samaritans:_The_Myth_of_Fr... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WU9DgfOMpmo

Economics: The User's Guide https://www.theguardian.com/books/2014/may/29/economics-the-...

Jane Jacobs

Cities and the Wealth of Nations https://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/reviews/books/0-394-72911-0.htm...



👤 ratsbane
Famous Financial Fiascos by John Train. It's short and entertaining. There are only a few chapters that deal with sovereign debt, but he gets the essence of the thing.

👤 tigerlily

👤 artur_makly

👤 TehShrike
Geopolitical Futures https://geopoliticalfutures.com/

👤 ohiovr
The fed used to provide a safe environment for someone to play the music for the game musical chairs. But now they just make their own music.

👤 jressey
Moby Dick might be a place to start. A popular reading is that it is an examination of the impossibility to understand large things.

👤 frequentnapper
What I'd like to know is that is the middle class going to shrink further as a result of the current set of events?

👤 freeduck
Try looking into political betting sites.

👤 bwb
Planet money and the indicator, both great podcasts that break economic data down into the macro/micro.

👤 jazzyk
One book NOT to read: "The Ant and the Grasshopper" by Aesop.

He got it completely wrong - for quite some time, Grasshoppers have been routinely bailed out with money stolen from the Ants (through interest rates way below inflation).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ant_and_the_Grasshopper


👤 threatofrain
How are people reading timing and schedule for major institutions near their area?

👤 smarri
The blogs and articles of John Kay and Niall Ferguson. The Financial Times too.

👤 ilaksh
Big Debt Crisis by Dalio. Because a lot had been happening gradually also.

👤 Tycho
Things Hidden Since the Foundation of the World by René Girard.

👤 grindgrind
Read Bloomberg? They have several excellent free e-mail newsletters.

👤 AndyMcConachie
First, the usual disclaimers about 'do your own research' and all that. Also, people come into econ for different reasons, have different focuses, and expect different things from their news. Some people read news about the economy because they have specific decision making responsibilty, and some people read it because they're just curious. I'm somewhere in the middle depending on what is specifically being talked about.

Here are some random links that I check from time to time when I have the time.

https://wallstreetonparade.com/

https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/

https://mattstoller.substack.com/

And then many mainstream ones like newspaper sites and the like.


👤 cynusx
I wouldn't look at economic theory to predict what will happen as economists haven't studied economies subject to pandemics, but you can look at the reality on the ground

1/ consumer confidence is extremely low as people are afraid of the virus and afraid of losing their jobs

2/ businesses have seen sudden and complete revenue destruction with revenue going down from 50% to 0% of pre-crisis; however their obligations (salaries, servicing debt, paying suppliers) obviously are still there. The natural instinct is to pause projects, new hiring, layoff people, stop buying things, postpone payments to suppliers and be more aggressive in collecting invoices.

This becomes a self-reinforcing cycle purging non-essential businesses or non-competitive businesses at a very high rate.

This will accelerate until normal people are no longer afraid to go out and then the supply chains will restart with the businesses managed to remain alive.

The best policy response would be to freeze the capitalist system altogether and allow any liability due in the future to be postponed by 3 months when entities can prove significant revenue shortfalls and implement an aggressive government-backed temporary unemployment system for those businesses as well.

To the extent that people haven't lost their job yet, it would fix the impulse of business owners to do this very aggressively in the necessity to balance inbound and outbound cash and post-crisis these businesses would have similar balance sheets as pre-crisis so life can resume quickly.

For normal people nothing would change much to the current situation (stay at home, temporary unemployment, being afraid).

The other good policy response I have seen is to force banks to give businesses a corona-credit and to guarantee those loans. It's less good because it does increase the debt-load of a company which alters their balance sheets and would have to be paid off post-crisis.


👤 anoraca
100% not anonymous public comments on the internet. Having waded into the waters of r/WallStBets and even some threads on here, there is so much disinformation and propaganda that it's actively harmful to read it.

👤 bosky101
wanted to share an offbeat method a friend shared the other day. he started plotting the weight of the local newspaper. lesser weight meant lesser advertisers.

👤 PaulHoule
Mancur Olson: Logic of Collective action.

👤 pjmorris
I've followed the 'Calculated Risk' and 'Naked Capitalism' blogs since the last crisis. On twitter I follow @MkBlyth and @nntaleb.

Disclaimer: NC is fairly leftish, but I don't consider that a flaw. I'd be interested in learning about rightish blogs of the same depth and quality.

[0] https://www.calculatedriskblog.com/

[1] https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/


👤 biolurker1
Coursera and Edx courses. IBS Univ, Rice

👤 refurb
Back in 2007 I listen to Econlib podcast quite a lot. The host had some really great guests on and did a very nice job in digging into the issues.

https://www.econlib.org/

Yes, the host is a libertarian, but I don’t think he forces it on his listeners. He’ll often have people on who aren’t anything close to libertarian. He’s also quite upfront about his own biases.

I learned a ton from that podcast.


👤 rz2k
Right now I am reading The Black Death in Egypt and England: a comparative study by Stuart Borsch. It compares the macroeconomic effects of the black death in England in Egypt. The relative power of the aristocracy to control or fail to control the supply and price of labor not only affected wages in the short term but agricultural productivity and eventually the foundation for industrialization and entrepreneurship.

I am only a third of the way through, but it so far seems thoroughly researched, without the dodgy understanding of economics in many (most?) historical nonfiction books. The only potential problem is that I want to believe that the dystopian sounding world ruled by mamluks was an economic disaster waiting to happen, so I am wary of my reading being overly credulous. It could be that irrigation dependent agriculture was more brittle infrastructure, but I haven't yet had time to finish or digest the book yet.

From the introduction

England:

> In spite of the disputes over many significant issues, scholars agree about certain aspects of the outcome in Western Europe, particularly northwestern Europe. In many areas, urban and rural wages rose, land rents declined, grain prices dropped, agricultural output became more diversified, and unemployment levels decreased. Furthermore, the percentage decrease of agrarian and total output was less than that of the population, and per capita incomes rose. Overall economic recovery was largely completed by the year 1500. Landholding systems were transformed, and the manorial system, which was on the wane in some areas, collapsed in many parts of Western Europe, and was replaced by tenant farming or small peasant landholdings. Where these conclusions are accepted, they are often accepted as an axiomatic response to the relative scarcity of labor and the abundance of land that accompanied depopulation. The concessions that landlords made to peasants also seem to be an obvious consequence of the relative scarcity of rural labor.

Egypt:

> Wages dropped precipitously, land rents increased, grain prices rose, agricultural output became less diversified, and unemployment levels increased. The percentage decrease in agrarian and total output was greater than that of the population, and per capita incomes plummeted. The landholding system did not undergo a radical transformation, and the aristocracy was able to successfully contest the demands of scarce rural labor. Furthermore, economic recovery was nowhere in sight by 1500; the agrarian system lay in ruins, and agricultural output had declined by approximately sixty-eight percent.

[1] https://smile.amazon.com/Black-Death-Egypt-England-Comparati...


👤 chvid
S&p500 five year chart

👤 simonh
The Economist magazine, they have a paywall but you get to read a handful of articles for free. Many of the Covid-19 relevant articles are publicly viewable and you can access more if you sign up for a newsletter.

https://www.economist.com/


👤 minimidge
The writing on the wall

👤 rv-de
reddit.com/r/collapse ... only half joking.

👤 owenversteeg
So there are a number of pretty funny responses in this thread, I decided to make a list:

Marx

the Bible

Bogleheads

Newspaper titles (you read that right, not the content, titles)

"nothing, I just bought a piece of land to grow potatoes and beans"

Comparative study of the black death

Raw St. Louis Fed data

Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas


👤 lukewrites
David Harvey’s The Enigma of Capitalism has quite a bit of explanatory power, I think, and presents an ideology that is a bit different to the most book suggestions on hn.

👤 wernercd
1984

👤 s_kilk
Marx - Capital

👤 aqqTwxye
The entrails of birds.

👤 _DIFIGIANO_
the bible

👤 bitxbitxbitcoin
The Bitcoin Whitepaper. [1]

[1] https://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf


👤 icu
1. How an Economy Grows and Why it Crashes (2010) by Peter Schiff and Andrew Schiff

2. A Template For Understanding Big Debt Crises (2018) by Ray Dalio

3. Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal by Ayn Rand

4. Basic Economics: A Citizen's Guide to the Economy by Thomas Sowell


👤 sleepysysadmin
The boomers are retiring soon if not now. Many of them were in higher risk investments than they should be and if they all sold their high risk and went to low risk at once. The market crashes; that's what happened. Tons of people want to sell.

So the governments of the world have been the ones buying. https://www.federalreserve.gov/monetarypolicy/bst_recenttren...

The fed put 4 trillion on the books during the financial crisis and 10 years later they started normalization and barely made a dent. This number should be 0. Now in a few months they've spent 2 trillion buying what nobody on the market is buying.

How do you make sense of the market when the government is basically preventing the crash. It's not possible to make sense right now.

We aren't seeing real market numbers. We aren't seeing real tbill rates. We arent seeing real economic numbers like unemployment because the governments have been hiding % under participation rate.