HACKER Q&A
📣 Raed667

Will Covid-19 be the end of Bullshit Jobs?


Do you think that confinement, social distancing and work-from-home will result in the reduction of the number of "Bullshit Jobs"[0]?

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullshit_Jobs


  👤 listenallyall Accepted Answer ✓
The opposite. In work-from-home situations, BS jobholders (which I generally define as managers with few actual skills other than managing) continually need to justify their existence, which they love to do via constant and excessive videochats with anyone and everyone. Meanwhile productive workers are more invisible than ever, lacking the random hallway, coffee machine, bathroom run-ins with top execs/mgmt.

People think this stuff doesn't matter, that they treat everyone fairly, but when the hard decisions about who to cut need to be made, that frequent visual reminder (along with all the tasks they insist they are managing, but which other people are actually doing) is a huge advantage in remaining employed.


👤 JMTQp8lwXL
No, because people are irrational creatures and BS jobs exist for irrational reasons. A pandemic doesn't fundamentally change the qualities of an organization that permit BS jobs to exist.

👤 DoreenMichele
The Wikipedia page says the author of the concept is a proponent of UBI and proposes it as a solution to this supposed problem. So you have to wonder at his motive for writing the book.

People who are looking to support a pre-exising conclusion are generally engaging in political manipulation, not science.


👤 hyfgfh
Nah, maybe will create a new category of "remote" BS jobs like "Remote culture coach, Remote Manger, Distributed communications Director"

👤 iKevinShah
Going through the wiki link, some of the jobs might end (or already be at the end of it) but it would be less due to Covid-19 and more due to some automation (and hence cost saving to the business). That said,the following jobs seem fine for the time, maybe the way (or the workplace) might change, but definitely won't end soon:

* Receptionist

* Administrative Assistants

* Lobbyists

* Corporate lawyers

* Telemarketers

* Public relations specialists

* Programmers repairing shoddy code

* Middle management

* Leadership professionals


👤 vanniv
No, because the concept of BS jobs is largely BS.

👤 austincheney
The US is heading form record low unemployment to depression era 20% unemployment. Nobody knows just how bad it will (can) get just yet, but it keeps getting worse. This will result in a major economic contraction. A recession is all but guaranteed and possibly a depression.

One area that will be hard hit is corporate software development. It is extremely unproductive and inefficient. Inefficiency is allowed when the economy is strong because there was a perceived shortage of talent and it is easier to hire talent than train talent. Without any kind of standing licensing or certification standard in place there is no uniform definition of competence and so the hiring market was largely candidate driven.

That is done. Almost no business will be profitable this year and many will fail through the process of market correction. Business can no longer afford to hire ineffective software developers.

As a long time web developer I have been astonished at the level of allowed ineffectiveness of web development practices. Essentially, almost nobody knows what they are doing or how the technology works without extensive help, typically through developer friendly software tools.

As the economy contracts, business fail, and hiring all but stops employers will be forced to make tough decisions in order to keep the lights on. Before established employers simply had to exercise competitive market pressure to be successful. Internal software development was just an internal cost of doing business and expenses are easy to justify if the business is cash flow positive. When the economy suddenly fails like never before and nobody is cash flow positive everything is open to critical review. Now businesses will be forced to consider how essential this internal software development is to their bottom line. If they absolutely cannot afford to live without it they will have to justify it as an essential operating expense. That line of thinking will roll down to each individual employee.

The days of hiring 10 developers to monkey patch a giant application around a giant framework that does most of your job for you is over. Instead employers will be forced to justify spending any money on writing software, budgets will shrink, and developers will be forced to justify their continued employment in competition with their peers. This will result in many unemployed software developers competing for employment in a market of a very few openings. Each open position will be under greater market pressure to perform more efficiently to the business, to justify its existence financially.

Before, when the economy was strong, talented and highly productive developers were rare and hiring top talent was expensive. Many employers would settle on the average developer in the middle of the bell curve because that would be perceived as lower risk and lower expense. You get what you pay for in that talent was sacrificed to lower financial risks of hiring and so you are now staffed by less productive people with less productive business practices. When there are suddenly very few software developer positions left and each developer is more directly connected to the financial health of their employers the nature and definition of performance will change.