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📣 JCOdom

Thoughts on diversity/inclusion efforts in tech?


Over the past few years, there has been a huge push for hitting diverse hiring (African American / Latin / LGBQT / Female) targets at large tech companies, especially in engineering. I've noticed this phenomenon first-hand in Silicon Valley.

I do believe that these efforts mean well, and come from a good place. Diversity of ideas is very important for building successful products for a diverse audience - there is no doubt about that. However, there are two things that leave me puzzled:

1) I feel that it has become a matter of one-upmanship between companies, with huge emphasis on proudly touting how many black or latinx people they hired last quarter ([1], [2] to name a few).

2) Related to 1), the emphasis on equality of outcome, rather than equality of opportunity. I think Goodhart's Law is at play here ('When a measure becomes a target, it ceases to be a good measure.'). "Diverse people hired" may be becoming a lousy metric that doesn't account for differences in talent pool size, enrolment in schools, number of people interviewed, etc. A very common phrase, especially used at one of my former employers, was this idea of "overcoming a homogenous workplace".

There are diversity teams at most big tech firms geared to drive up these metrics - just like any other team which is driven by ad revenue or MAU.

At my ex-employer, hiring managers were invited by a 'diversity lead' and told to 'account for diversity' when candidates are fairly even; in this case, the other candidate is placed at a disadvantage.

I am not trying to be inflammatory here; I just want to learn how these programs are bringing real benefit - or at least the underlying reasoning/legislation driving them.

[1] https://qz.com/work/1793500/etsy-doubled-its-hiring-of-black-and-latinx-employees-in-one-year/

[2] https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2018/04/how-slack-got-ahead-in-diversity/558806/


  👤 auslegung Accepted Answer ✓
I’m not in hiring nor do I have data to back this up. I doubt anyone has data to back up or refute my claim.

I claim that diversity is an inherent good for jobs that involve lots of thinking. My reasoning is that a mixture of diverse ideas and thought patterns are going to come up with higher quality solutions on average, and a if we’re excluding non-white non-males, we’re not coming up with the best solutions.

Of course this breaks down if we’re talking about someone “diverse” with an 8th grade education vs someone with a PhD. I’m pretty sure the PhD is ALMOST ALWAYS going to produce higher quality solutions. But Master’s vs PhD? Bachelor’s vs Master’s? Go with diversity.


👤 jahell
I think what should be focused on first is getting more diverse people majoring in computer science.

In my graduating class (2017) the ethnic ratio was 80% white 20% Asian. All men. This was a private liberal arts school where 60% of the student population was female, so it's not like it was an engineering school with no women.

Since I've graduated there have been a few women and other ethnicities but still way more white men.

There were a few women my year who started out as cs majors but switched as underclassman.

That being said, I'm not sure why this is. In other hard/scientific (math, natural science, etc.) majors there were way more women then men.