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Thank you hn for everything! I appreciate all inputs.

I am a new ECE PhD graduate and I never felt more lost in my life. 1) I don’t remember anything I learned during my undergraduate degree. I remember some things, but it feels substantially less than what I knew during that time. 2) I feel slow sometimes; it sometimes takes me a while to figure something out or to look at from a different angle. 3) I am currently working in my field of study but I focus on another field during work after hours. I enjoy the other field as a hobby.

Bottom line is, I don’t feel sharp although I’m in my late 20s. Should I be worried about my future in tech? Or does anyone else go through the same thing ? Do you remember everything from undergrad sharply? Do you ever feel “slow”?

Thanks!


  👤 sethammons Accepted Answer ✓
I stopped school after my undergrad. I have forgotten nearly all of it. Hell, I've forgotten most everything I've ever learned. I don't recall a lot of the early seasons of any of the shows I enjoy. I'm slower to learn new things, slower to implement things, slower working out, and the list goes on. People still consider me smart and highly productive and enjoy working with me. Turns out that while I don't recall specifics often enough, I have developed ways of working that scaffold what I know. "Standard operating procedure." I can still think through systems, debug hard problems, sling code, work great with teams, delegate, ask for help, mentor, mentee, learn new things (albeit slower than before, and it has to provide value, usually quickly), teach, etc.

I'm slower. I'm more experienced. I'm doing great.

You say you feel slow and not as sharp. I'd equate this to typing speed. If you were typing 90wpm and got slow and errored more, would that stop a career in tech? I work with a guy who hunt and pecks when typing with two fingers. He is a fantastic developer and doing great.

If you enjoy it and people enjoy working with you and you are productive, then you will be fine.


👤 thijsvandien
I firmly believe that learning is not about remembering facts but about shaping your thinking. Surely there are professions where having facts ready is important, but relatively few. It's for a reason that many employers don't care too much what you studied, as long as you graduated (or have something else to prove your character). You'll have to learn on the job anyway; what they want is someone with the right attitude and who knows how to approach a problem.

Feeling slow is definitely familiar, while everybody else seems more than satisfied with my results. I'm still trying to always get better at what I do, but at the same time I remind myself not to sweat it. The internet makes it too easy sometimes to see top performers, and mainly their good aspects. Doing average gets you a long way, and a bit better than average a very long way. Stop comparing yourself to others. Just do your best. It's most probably enough.

Having hobbies that differ from work is something I'd consider healthy.


👤 cweagans
Do you sleep enough? Are you sure?

Do you sleep well? Are you sure?

Do you have a sleep disorder? Are you sure?

For me, answering "are you sure?" on all of those questions involved talking to a sleep specialist and the answer was no. Working through all of those problems was life changing.


👤 p1esk
I'm in similar situation: also a new ECE PhD graduate, working in my field of study, and also working on an exciting side project after hours, in a different field. I'm 41, started PhD program at 35, long after I forgot almost everything I learned as an undergrad.

I'm not sure I fully understand your worries though. What do you want your future in tech to be? What do you want to accomplish? The key is the drive to build something. Are you motivated enough to succeed? Is your hobby project exciting enough to keep you up at night (or would you rather be watching Netflix)?

Regarding the sharpness - no, I don't feel any less sharp than when I was 20. I don't think the 20 yo version of me would be faster to solve hard research problems I'm struggling with currently, both at work or the side project. Sharpness is not a function of age, it's a function of your current state - physical (exercise, sleep, eat well), emotional (find the drive!), and mental (solve puzzles, read books, talk to smart people, try new things).


👤 BossingAround
Why is remembering materials from your undergrad degree the meter of "how smart am I?" What a strangely arbitrary scale.

> Do you ever feel “slow”?

Very often. I wake up, and feel as if I haven't slept at all. During those times, my memory literally fails me. The other day, I couldn't remember the term "thin provisioning," about which I was drilling a current coworker a few months ago at an interview. So though the concept is trivial to me, I just couldn't find the words to describe it.

And yet, even in that state, I sit down, and code, debug issues, write code... I still get my shit done. I spend less time in the kitchen talking to coworkers, though.

A better question is, why do you feel you shouldn't feel "slow"? What should make you feel "fast" that you've acquired during your couple years of studying?


👤 oblib
You probably retained more than you realize, but I can tell you that I've been coding for about 25 years now and I constantly refer to documentation for the tools I use.

"I don’t feel sharp"

Don't equate not knowing how to do something with being inept. Making something from scratch that's not been made before is often an adventure into the unknown that requires a lot of trial and error. It's often our job to figure out how to do it. For me, that's the fun part, but the journey to get there can sure make you feel dumb as a bag of hammers.

That's because there are almost always a lot of ways to do it both wrong or better. But the truth is you just need to find one way that does it. "Improvements" are future tense. So you focus on the problem in hand and move along a step at a time.

I've learned to seek help as soon as I get stuck, as opposed to a hardheaded "keep tossing mud to see what sticks" approach. A few days of that can make you feel stupid real good.

It was ego that prevented me from learning that lesson sooner. Ego can take a pounding when you're hard headed. So toss ego aside and start looking for and asking for help as soon as you hit a wall. My experience since is there are very few problems without solutions, or at least partial solutions you can build upon.

You probably do know where to start looking for answers to questions and help for most of the issues you'll ever run into, and that's what will keep the progress going on whatever you're working on.

If you think about it, finding the answers is what you really learned how to do in school, and you still know how to do that, and you always will.

I'll also offer that you work on something for you. Grab a raspberry pi and one of the projects for it that looks fun and diddle with it. It's exercising. It keeps you sharp and builds confidence. Make something and share it.

That said, I've got some Pi projects I did a few years ago that I glance at now and wonder how the hell it works because I forgot, but if I dive back into them it comes back to me.

So just dive in. You'll be welcomed.


👤 muzani
"Slow" is relative, and quite common in an academic environment. I find that after entering the industry, with people from no/poor academic backgrounds, I feel really fast. If you work somewhere with higher standards, you'll feel slow again.

Learning seems more like a skill/technique than an aptitude. It's not just grades, but learning in a way that it sticks.