HACKER Q&A
📣 topisan

Why there are no good services to send money abroad?


Why it's so hard to send money abroad? It's either takes long or costs a lot. IS it laws or is it just no one has taken this an issue?


  👤 mtmail Accepted Answer ✓
Even inner-country money transfers between two banks accounts can take 3 days for no apparent reason. My understanding is it's a mix between risk assessment and banks trying to keep the money to work with longer.

I use https://transferwise.com/ for British Pound <=> Euro. First couple of times takes about 1 day, later (whatever scoring they use) it goes down to hours. I've seen within an hour once.


👤 Jaxkr
This was the problem that crypto was intended to solve, but is failing because the fiat ramps are under-developed.

There are no good international money sending services because it’s a highly regulated industry. These regulations, such as AML laws, are important but cause transactions to be slower and more expensive.


👤 rahimnathwani
Both the costs and time are due to:

- the number of intermediaries in the chain: the bank to which the money is going usually doesn't have an account with the bank that sent the money, so effectively the transfer is split up into multiple transfers between banks

- foreign exchange volatility: when sending money abroad, the bank gives you a firm quote now for the rate at which they will convert one currency to another; they reduce the chance they will lose money by charging you a rate worse than the current mid-market rate.

- operating costs: banks have to run processes for AML, KYC, CS etc.

- risk/fraud costs: provisions for actual losses from internal/external fraud

To your later questions:

- many companies have tackled this issue and aim to make it cheaper and/or faster: Moneygram, Western Union, OFX, HiFX, CurrencyFair, TransferWise, ...

Which is the cheapest service for the currency pair in which you're interested? How much do they charge?


👤 FlopV
I use veem for my business and it's been great. I don't know how well it would work for personal use. This is from the US to Mexico, southeast Asia, and India.

👤 FlopV
I've used veem for my business and it's been pretty good. I don't know if you can use it for personal use.

👤 Klonoar
Transferwise isn't good enough...?

👤 probinso
btc?

👤 bubba1236
what's wrong with MoneyGram?