What have you guys done as professionals that sit at a desk most of the day to improve your ergonomics?
My standing desk: https://www.fully.com/jarvis-adjustable-height-desk-bamboo.h...
My adjustable chair: https://www.hermanmiller.com/products/seating/office-chairs/...
My adjustable monitor arm: https://www.fully.com/accessories/monitor-arms/esi-edge-max....
- Proper desk height for standing and sitting to ensure arms are at 90* angle.
- Extended height monitor arms to ensure screens are up at eye level. This has been great for my posture.
- Split keyboard (kinesis) to ensure my shoulders are in a neutral, not rolled inwards position and my wrist angle is also neutral. I broke my collarbone when younger, and it’s very easy for me to not keep my shoulders neutral.
- Extended palm pad for keyboard to keep my wrists neutral. With larger hands my palms are pretty far from the keyboard, which makes it easy to have my wrists lower than my hands. I have the V3 attachment to the kinesis keyboard.
- Regular exercise and strength training.
- Avoiding working on my laptop as much as possible. The angle and ergonomics are just not nearly as good as my desktop setup.
All the products made around ergonomics are total BS, full stop. Your body is not built to sit at a desk all day, and you can't fix that with an overpriced keyboard. Take breaks from time to time and go walk around a bit.
Get yourself setup so there's no pressure on your arms and legs and call it good. Don't waste your money on ergo BS.
In 2008 I had very severe carpal tunnel syndrome for over a year. Then I found a clinic that had specialized in pain patients. They found out that the muscles my neck where shortened and weak. Neck is connected to shoulder is connected to arm is connect to wrists leading to my symptoms. Got a lot of exercises to lengthen and strengthen my neck. That fixed the wrist pains. Whenever they rise again I start do these exercises and it goes away.
My current construction site are the muscles that connect the legs to your hips/lower abdomen. They shorten too, due to the constant sitting position plus going by bike to work. This leads to back pains/slipped disks. Need to lengthen them as well.
I also started using an Ergodox at my desk and that's helped a lot. Wrist pronation was really killing me, and now that's just not a problem anymore. I liked that so much that I got a second one for travel.
Also, make sure that your monitors are elevated to the right height so that you're not looking down. It'll help a lot with any neck pain you might be experiencing.
1. Lower your typing surface.
2. Raise your seat.
#1 can be handled with a clamp-on keyboard tray (get one with negative tilt), and for #2, try a drafting stool (don't buy until you sit on it yourself).
I had the same problem. For my office, I have both the tray and the stool, and for my home office, I just have a normal chair + a rolling adjustable desk surface that goes low enough to be used as a typing surface.
I also use a split keyboard (Kinesis makes great ones) and I'm in the market for a vertical mouse right now.
Don't listen to the people who say ergonomics is all bullshit and you just need to stand up (or exercise or whatever). Your equipment makes a difference.
It’s been nearly four years since the change. I still get into ergonomic ruts. But climbing out of local ergonomics minima is easier because there’s no changing configuration. Adjusting happens as quick as recognizing an issue.
It’s shifting my weight. Moving my feet. Scrolling with another finger. Repositioning the laptop. Tilting the screen.
There’s no proper typing position that includes a mouse. Tracpoints are ok. Touchpads kind of aren’t too bad. But keyboard shortcuts are the only way to maintain a typing position.
1. Microsoft Sculpt: https://www.microsoft.com/accessories/en-us/products/keyboar...
2. Ctrl pads (especially for emacs users): Example: https://www.reddit.com/r/emacs/comments/7zvw2b/my_weapon_aga...
My keyboard is an ErgoDox EZ with the lightest key-switches I could find (bought them separate, soldered them on), and my mouse is placed in the middle. I'm happy with other keyboards though, my general keyboard requirements are:
* ortholinear
* as many modifier keys on the inside as possible (eg CTRL/SUPER/SHIFT for pointer and thumb, instead of using pinky)
* split layout
I use a 3M adjustable keyboard tray (atk91le) screwed into my desk so I can easily adjust position for whatever posture I'm in.
If you sit too long without moving you will hurt, so I make a point to switch up how I sit, or get up from my desk frequently. I really like the footstool as a chair because it's like an elevated floor, there are many ways to sit on it.
If my lower back is tired (no backrest on a footstool), I have a Nada Chair that I'll sometimes strap into.
I have scoliosis, so I think I've had to deal with lower back pain much more than the average person my age.
From there you can stand or sit.
When sitting I used to use chairs that had arm rests so there was no pressure or strain. When standing I sort of do the same thing, except there's less forearm support.
The most recent picture of my desk set up is at: https://nickjanetakis.com/blog/build-your-own-8x4-foot-white...
When I stand straight my eyes are roughly 1/3rd of the way down from the top of the monitor. This set up seems to be working well after a couple of years.
I also think what helps is that I'm not a home row typist. This is probably an unpopular opinion and maybe totally wrong but I personally find it way more comfortable if I'm moving my hands around regularly instead of just locking everything in place for extended periods of time where I only move my fingers.
I went all in with an ergodoz ez split keyboard at one point but it ended up being too much effort to learn how to use.
Also tried a vertical mouse and hated that too.
Monitor risers of some kind are a must. At home I’ve got a dual monitor stand but at work I just used textbooks that we had lying around.
- I keep a small stack of napkins(between 10 napkins to about 3/4" of napkin) under my left elbow. For some reason the elbow hitting the hard desk hurts, and having a stack of napkings is both useful to use napkins from (and occasionally replace to re-up the stack). It helps a lot on the left elbow.
- I use a Razer Deathadder mouse both at home and at work.
- I use a foot rest both at home and at work (they are quite a bit different, due to different desks/chairs).
- I use monitor arms at home and at work. Also I keep my monitor up higher than most people do. Most people keep them WAYYY to low(at minimum, enough for my keyboard and typing to be able to go under them). It really makes a big difference when you can look straight on most of the time.
- I primarily only use 2 monitors. I've had up to 3 and 4 at one point, but noticed slight neck strain. But 2 does well enough for me. I use 2x 27" 1440 resolution 144hz monitors at home. And 2x 27" 4k monitors at work.
- I am super picky about chairs. When I last replaced my home one, I sat in probably 150 different chairs in 10 different stores. Ended up ordered some high end chair($1000) and it didn't feel quite right. So I returned it and ordered another a different make/model(About $600) that works for me. Extra wide, proper butt cushion(no cross bar if pushed on hard) and works for my back and neck. I don't mention name/brands here, because everyone's body is different and you just need to find something that fit/works for both your body and price ranges.
- I am also super picky about the settings on the chair. Again, personal preference.
- Lastly, at home I have a large mousepad (approximately 20"x18") and at work, I have slightly larger.
I am on either my work or home desk/computer probably 14+ hours every day of the week. And haven't had any back, neck, or joint pains since about 20+ years ago, when I first started customizing setup, finding what worked, and switched to split keyboard and stuff. If something even feels SLIGHTLY off. I make sure to change it, a lot of people can get used to things 'slightly off' but don't really quite notice how much it can wear on you after a long time.
2006ish onward: Kinesis Freestyle 2 split keyboard. Owned 2ish, had each employer buy one.
2007ish onward: f.lux screen temperature adjustment, relative to sun.
2012 onward: Standing desk with tall chair in wheels or felt pads. At home and at software eng / devops jobs.
2014 onward: floor mat at standing desk, like at a cash register. Firm enough for wheels on chair to roll on and be stable.
2016 onward: thumb trackball mouse. Sometimes places bedtween segments of split keyboard.
2016 onward: good shoes. Memory foam, strong builds, maintainable materials.
[1] Matias Ergo Pro [2] Kensington Expert
I try to keep my mouse over the numpad on the keyboard so I don't have to swing the shoulder as much, and try to use keyboard shortcuts.
I have an adjustable height chair with a footrest under the desk so that my eyes line up with the top 10th of the monitor.
I also use a stand/sit desk when I can get one. At home I have a monitor arm that lets me stand, but it's a pain to move the keyboard and such so I don't do it much.
[1] https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B000PKVV5S/ref=ppx_yo_dt...
* See a physio for the elbow, do all the exercises they prescribe.
* Get up and walk often (get a drink of water for example).
* Walk as much as you can outside of the working day, at lunchtime etc.
* Stand up as much as possible, e.g. at meetings, on the train/bus, to counteract the sitting. Sit/stand desk might help if you can have one.
* This probably wont apply, but consider if you need reading glasses to help you see the screen without leaning in.
Get everything aligned properly and you give your body a fighting chance.
This is a pretty solid info graphic https://www.startstanding.org/proper-workplace-ergonomics/
A couple of months ago there was an discussion here on how an ophtalmologist spending 5 minutes on A/B testing your prescription may not give the most optimal result. That was right.
I had to take a couple of days off work a few months ago because my elbow burned everytime I typed.
Took a number of consultations with physiotherapists before I settled on this. Happy to announce being painfree now.
My home setup is similar
I have two new in box in case they ever stop making them.
It is great because I keep bouncing, rolling my hips, pushing my lower back forwrds. Sometimes I lay with my shoulders on the ball which helps to relax as well.
Doesn't the tray make the desk surface more clutter free?
I don't know why, but most people are not aware of kneeling chairs or the benefits they provide to back posture. There is literally no way to get healthy curvature in a sitting posture without lowering your knees below your hips.