HACKER Q&A
📣 wtf_confused

Why are we not making the most of the recent UFO reports?


I posit a serious question to all of HN. We have recently been given evidence that on multiple occasions (2005, 2015) the US Navy witnessed UAP/UFO aircraft on radar, infrared, and by highly trained pilots. It is the official stance of the US Navy that these aircraft are exactly that: aircraft; not sensor glitches, foreign psy-ops/jamming, etc. By all accounts, the UAP were observed by these sensor platforms and pilots performing maneuvers which indicate intelligent control and technology beyond what we can duplicate at present, no matter how hard we try. Each person must set their own standard for proof, but for me pilots, radar, and infrared is enough. I think that's a real UFO on those videos and I don't care where it came from, I only see opportunity.

In the history of humanity our research efforts, hence our advancement, has always been bound by the dreams of visionaries and hampered by the dead ends of failed/wrong ideas. To actually have a working piece of highly advanced technology paraded through our best attempt at a floating radar range is the greatest advantage that we have ever come upon. This is a technological goalpost for us, it shows us what is actually possible, and informs our research efforts as to which directions are likely fruitful. Such a guiding hand in our development has never been extended before and I feel we are profoundly stupid to ignore it.

I ask the members of this community who also feels that this evidence is sufficient to apply their excess brainpower towards extracting knowledge from these events. We need to figure out everything we can from this and start the conversation within the scientific and technological communities about how we can gain from it. Also, I argue that any knowledge gained needs to be open sourced and that this will only happen if more IQ outside of government is thinking about it than inside. This community could easily ensure that. What can we learn from this?


  👤 unlinked_dll Accepted Answer ✓
>By all accounts, the UAP were observed by these sensor platforms and pilots performing maneuvers which indicate intelligent control and technology beyond what we can duplicate at present, no matter how hard we try.

The public has very little insight into both what is "possible" to achieve by military aircraft, and more importantly in this context, their observational capability.

If the navy says that they spotted an unidentified flying object moving mach X at a distance of Y km, that tells geopolitical adversaries things like "they can monitor our railgun fire under these conditions."

Every piece of information we get from the military that isn't through investigation needs to be taken with a massive grain of salt, since it's always been released under the pretenses of information warfare and the tactical consequences of it being public.

And as an aside, not only does the public have very little insight into what the military and its contractors can do, the military itself has little insight into what other parts of the military are doing. It's entirely possible that one observation from one unit was entirely unaware of another unit doing another thing.


👤 gcthomas
I would be concerned if this investigation was hamstrung by the a priori belief that the unidentified objects/artefacts/blips both existed as a technological device and were extraterrestrial in origin.

I suspect, sadly, that 'what we can learn' from this is close to nothing without firmer evidence.


👤 mckinney
Late to the party on this one, but I mostly agree with the OP regarding the magnitude of the evidence. Most of the comments here attempting to explain away the recent Navy reports as "experimental aircraft" are perhaps uninformed.

For instance, the Cdr. Fravor account published in the NYT a couple of years ago regarding the 2004 incident is extremely difficult to explain without considering otherwordly technology. For example, the instant acceleration/deceleration witnessed directly by several pilots and on multiple radar systems corresponds with exactly ZERO technology known to mankind. That type of acceleration has the same effect as smashing into a mountain at hyper-mach velocity. There is no mapping of the reported events to our current understanding of physics; it simply cannot be explained, so forget the idea that something we built could achieve those maneuvers.

Also the idea that Cdr. Fravor and other pilots who've come forward with their testimony are all lying or are somehow mistaking what they saw for atmospheric light tricks is ridiculous. Similarly, the Navy UFO cases that have more recently surfaced provide yet more of the same level of evidence -- Multiple pilots, multiple radar, infrared, and other tracking systems, etc. To put forward the idea that all these people are lying or are mentally unwell or are somehow sharing a group hallucination is to suggest a far more unlikely event than the ones they reported.


👤 LinuxBender
If you want more from this, then you would have to get folks to contribute to enhancing our detection and tracking capabilities to the point of identifying the unidentified objects. Distill the technology down to simpler and smaller devices that can be fitted onto more aircraft, ships, satellites, etc. Perhaps apply machine learning to piece together sensor data. Widen the useful spectrum of data that is gathered.

👤 wnkrshm
I haven't looked into these too much but weren't some of the infrared ones explained as reflections within the optical system? The sun is a pretty bright source of light, with lots of radiance in the infrared... you can only prevent so many interreflections within an optical system with coatings - the sun (or its reflection) can get though at some angles and the tracking algorithms makes the optical system adjust to keep the artifact relatively stable.

Publishing these as 'unidentified' might be a good way to putyour own branch into the news cycle and acquire more money through political channels. Also, keeping enough of the environment/state in which the phenomena occured classified prevents any foreign actors from precisely identifiying weaknesses in the systems in use.


👤 hos234
Skunkworks & Northrop Grumman sites are all within a 100 miles of the sightings. That's too much of a coincidence for me. "Highly advanced" projects coming out of those locations, usually run decades before anyone external even hears about them.

👤 wtf_confused
To start the conversation, I think we should immediately ask ourselves the following:

1) Given the performance observed, what sort of power generation technology could or could not be inside of these craft?

2) Is it even possible to build a 30ft - 40ft physical craft that can endure g-forces in the 10,000's? If not, does this force us to conclude it is some sort of warp drive and the craft isn't actually experiencing the forces the performance data would indicate?

I think that logical reasoning along these lines by experts might yield un-escapable conclusions that could inform us how they might work and how they can't possibly work, a start towards what we need to learn and might ignore along the way.